Protests Stopping People From Getting Vaccinated

[metis]

Yesterday's guru Whitmar could be today's pro-death with 38/100000 covid positive results.

It's already quite cold here, and people have gone back more indoors, so ...

Yesterday's pro-death DeSantis is today's guru.

That's funny. Got any more?

As far as values:
She's at It Again: Gov. Whitmer Caught Maskless at DC Bar in Violation of Mandates
again????

I never thought of her as being a saint, but at least she hasn't supported a man and group that has tried to end our democracy and who acts with such utter depravity.

Should we be even discussing politics?

Probably not, but you're the one who brought up politics, my friend.

 

[Kenny]

Florida, under Republican Governor DeSantis has underreported statistics since the beginning of the pandemic.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local...o-create-artificial-decline-in-recent-deaths/

Published: September 1, 2021 3:31 pm
Did Florida change COVID-19 reporting to create ‘artificial decline’ in recent deaths?
“If you chart deaths by Florida’s new method, based on date of death, it will generally appear — even during a spike like the present — that deaths are on a recent downslope. That’s because it takes time for deaths to be evaluated and death certificates processed,” according to The Herald. “When those deaths finally are tallied, they are assigned to the actual date of death — creating a spike where there once existed a downslope and moving the downslope forward in time.”

Shivani Patel, a social epidemiologist and assistant professor at Emory University, told the South Florida newspaper the move by the state was “extremely problematic.”
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Did you miss this part in the article you linked...

What you can do


Get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as it's available to you.​

It wasn't the Governor reporting... it was the Mayo clinic, impartial and unbiased.

This isn't about vaccination...

 

[Revoltingest]

LOL....

Yesterday's guru Whitmar could be today's pro-death with 38/100000 covid positive results.

Yesterday's pro-death DeSantis is today's guru.

As far as values:
She's at It Again: Gov. Whitmer Caught Maskless at DC Bar in Violation of Mandates
again????



Should we be even discussing politics?

I wonder if she's aware of the damage she does
by giving ammunition to anti-vaxers & anti-maskers?

 

[Kenny]

I wonder if she's aware of the damage she does
by giving ammunition to anti-vaxers & anti-maskers?

EXACTLY! You can't just preach it, you gotta live it.

 

[Wildswanderer]

True.
The Covid vaccines are much safer than the original
polio vaccines. And mRNA technology has been
around for a couple decades. Nothing new there.

Do you think all these anti-vaxers are knowledgeable
about the dangers of vaccines & SARS-CoV-2?
When I discuss the issues with them, I've found them
highly misinformed & uninformed. Criminy...a lowly
ambulance driver or cop thinks they know more about
epidemiology than epidemiologists. Go figure.

Are you an epidemiologist?

 

[Wildswanderer]

But that's still up to the business as they're the ones who establish the rules we may work under.

No totally. Obviously, it's not the business' who came up with vaccine mandates for over 100 employees.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Your lame response shows that you cannot substantiate your comments about mandates being illegal. Actually, none of your responses have done that.

Your lame response shows that you cannot substantiate your comments about mandates being illegal. Actually, none of your responses have done that.

If 24 attorney generals think so, I think they might know more about it than you do. Unless they think they have a pretty good chance of winning, they wouldn't bring it up.

"Moreover, the president acted unilaterally: Congress has not expressly authorized this sweeping expansion of federal power. Rather, to justify his edict, Biden reached back to a Nixon-era workplace safety law. I am skeptical that this half-century-old law can support Biden's novel mandate."
Biden's vaccine mandate is counterproductive and likely illegal | Opinion

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you an epidemiologist?

No.
But I read of their work.
I notice that anti-vaxers don't.
Their arguments typically use other info, eg, talk radio hosts
& guests, doctors who aren't immunologists or virologists,
OAN, fringe websites hawking Ivermectin.
And their reasoning isn't quantitative, eg, all risks are treated
as equal, conspiracy theories.

I'm a lowly engineer & landlord.
How about you?

 

[Wildswanderer]

No.
But I read of their work.
I notice that anti-vaxers don't.
Their arguments typically use other info, eg, talk radio hosts
& guests, doctors who aren't immunologists or virologists,
OAN, fringe websites hawking Ivermectin.
And their reasoning isn't quantitative, eg, all risks are treated
as equal, conspiracy theories.

I'm a lowly engineer & landlord.
How about you?

I work with my hands.
But it's pretty easy to spot power hungry people using this thing. I find that common people have the most common sense.

 

[Revoltingest]

I work with my hands.
But it's pretty easy to spot power hungry people using this thing. I find that common people have the most common sense.

Alas, common sense is quite uncommon.
The problem is that without information & understanding,
it's merely intuition...a notoriously unreliable tool. It pays
to discern reliable sources of info, & rely upon those as
a basis for reasoning.

BTW, there are power hungry people pushing anti-vaxing,
eg, OAN, which is still claiming that Ivermectin is a safe,
effective, & FDA approved drug for Covid 19. Why do this
when Merck (its maker) says it's for parasites, not the
SARS CoV-2 virus? Power. It keeps their echo chamber strong.
Why are unions fighting vaccination requirements? Power.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Why are unions fighting vaccination requirements? Power.

Maybe because they don't want to lose half their members?

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe because they don't want to lose half their members?

Exactly.
It's about power....not safety of members
or the public they interact with.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Exactly.
It's about power....not safety of members
or the public they interact with.

That's just common sense. Why would you want to lose members? It seems to be a case of unions actually doing what unions were supposed to do, protecting the rights of individual members whether they agree with them or not.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's just common sense. Why would you want to lose members? It seems to be a case of unions actually doing what unions were supposed to do, protecting the rights of individual members whether they agree with them or not.

Protecting what right....the right to not be vaccinated against
a virulent pandemic....& the right to infect others?
Nah. They're protecting the power of their union leadership.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Protecting what right....the right to not be vaccinated against
a virulent pandemic....& the right to infect others?
Nah. They're protecting the power of their union leadership.

Anyone can infect anyone...so that argument doesn't wash.
Yes the right to not put something in their bodies they don't agree with.
The same people that are against that right are ok with killing unborn infants in many cases. Something doesn't add up.

 

[Revoltingest]

Anyone can infect anyone...so that argument doesn't wash.

Infection risk isn't the same for everyone.
There's also a common misconception that because
vaccines have risks, & Covid 19 has risks, that this
makes the risks equal. It doesn't work that way.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Infection risk isn't the same for everyone.
There's also a common misconception that because
vaccines have risks, & Covid 19 has risks, that this
makes the risks equal. It doesn't work that way.

We don't even know what the risks of the vaccines are because they are pretending they don't exist.

 

[Revoltingest]

We don't even know what the risks of the vaccines are because they are pretending they don't exist.

Who are "they"?
I've read of the vaccines' risks in many sources.
Alas, anti-vaxers ignore the risks of Covid 19, eg, death,
restless anal syndrome (a newly discovered one).

 

[metis]

No totally. Obviously, it's not the business' who came up with vaccine mandates for over 100 employees.

It doesn't make one iota of difference who came up with it, thus all you are doing is grasping at straws.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It doesn't make one iota of difference who came up with it, thus all you are doing is grasping at straws.

Of course it makes a difference. You just said it's the business' when it's actually the federal government.