Proof of Jewish exile and escape from Egypt?

[IndigoChild5559]

Is there any proof for the passover, that Jews did indeed live as slaves in Egypt and that the miracles and curses existed, water turning to blood, the pestilences, firstborn being killed, etc.........and thee scape of Israelites from Egyptians into the red sea?

No. We take it on faith in the writings of the Torah.

 

[Audie]

No. We take it on faith in the writings of the Torah.

For clarity, you believe on faith, knowing it cannot be true?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

For clarity, you believe on faith, knowing it cannot be true?

Knowing it might not be true.

 

[Audie]

Knowing it might not be true.

How big a "might" do you suppose that is
on a literal reading?

What comes with it if (since) literal
Genesis cannot possibly be accurate?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

How big a "might" do you suppose that is
on a literal reading?

What comes with it if (since) literal
Genesis cannot possibly be accurate?

Oh, I don't read literally. And I'm quite into things like the documentary hyypothesis.

 

[Clara Tea]

I thought some of the plagues were proven that at times the river has been known to bleed blood instead of water when the animals die out in it, and there have been plagues of frogs, and other animals, there's a certain science to it but it happens when certain viruses or maybe it's something different but it's scientific.

The Ten Plagues - Live From Egypt by Rabbi Mordechai Becher

The lpuwer papyrus describes similar events of Exodus. Other books include "Israel in Egypt by James Hoffmeiier, and Biblical Personalities and ARchaeology by Leah Bronner.

Mark 15: Historical intertexture

Retelling the Story

The Truth about the Exodus

Offline Illumination

Exodus is like Sargon story.

13. Bondage, Passover, and Exodus – BYU Studies

Exodus from a Mormon perspective.

https://www.brandeis.edu/hornstein/...AmericanTemperanceMovement,andModecaiNoah.pdf

The Temple Roots of the Liturgy

The Temple Roots of the Liturgy

https://scholar.csl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1026&context=stm

An Incomplete History

https://sbts-wordpress-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/equip/uploads/2015/10/Mooney-SBJT-Fall-08-2.pdf

Proof of Israel in slavery in Egypt.

 

[firedragon]

I thought some of the plagues were proven that at times the river has been known to bleed blood instead of water when the animals die out in it, and there have been plagues of frogs, and other animals, there's a certain science to it but it happens when certain viruses or maybe it's something different but it's scientific.

It could be that there were times when some natural phenomena happened and later people turned them into Gods work.

I mean if in modern times COVID 19 can be interpreted by some as a biblical prophecy and it is Gods particular punishment for a particular reason, imagine how it could have been.

 

[firedragon]

Oh, I don't read literally. And I'm quite into things like the documentary hyypothesis.

Thats interesting. How could documentary hypothesis apply to this?

 

[Brian2]

It is not archaeologists that place the event at that date. It is Bible literalists that date events in the Old Testament using genealogy that get the date you gave.

Those who follow the guidance given in the literature of the day end up with archaeological results that confirm the literature. But that is not circular reasoning, it is archaeology. And they also end up with results that line up with the known historical events of the era.
There has even been a Hebrew settlement in Goshen in Egypt. It is not a slave settlement and Goshen is where Genesis places the band of Hebrews (Isaac and his sons) when they went to Egypt. This site has 12 graves, one of which is a grave reserved in Egypt for special people (Joseph) and the others would be for his brothers. But interestingly enough some archaeologists refuse to see this as the site of the Israelites because it is in the wrong era historical period. They are looking in the wrong time period and this seems to come down to bad archaeological dating in Jericho at the start of the archaeological search for the conquest story.
It's a crazy situation and there seem to be archaeologists who are biased against the Bible and anything that might say that the Bible is right.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Those who follow the guidance given in the literature of the day end up with archaeological results that confirm the literature. But that is not circular reasoning, it is archaeology. And they also end up with results that line up with the known historical events of the era.
There has even been a Hebrew settlement in Goshen in Egypt. It is not a slave settlement and Goshen is where Genesis places the band of Hebrews (Isaac and his sons) when they went to Egypt. This site has 12 graves, one of which is a grave reserved in Egypt for special people (Joseph) and the others would be for his brothers. But interestingly enough some archaeologists refuse to see this as the site of the Israelites because it is in the wrong era historical period. They are looking in the wrong time period and this seems to come down to bad archaeological dating in Jericho at the start of the archaeological search for the conquest story.
It's a crazy situation and there seem to be archaeologists who are biased against the Bible and anything that might say that the Bible is right.

You ignored the point that I made and posted some nonsense instead.

Please use articles from real historians to support your claims. I am not biased against the Bible. It did get some facts right. The bias is yours because you can never admit that it got quite a few facts wrong.

 

[Audie]

Those who follow the guidance given in the literature of the day end up with archaeological results that confirm the literature. But that is not circular reasoning, it is archaeology. And they also end up with results that line up with the known historical events of the era.
There has even been a Hebrew settlement in Goshen in Egypt. It is not a slave settlement and Goshen is where Genesis places the band of Hebrews (Isaac and his sons) when they went to Egypt. This site has 12 graves, one of which is a grave reserved in Egypt for special people (Joseph) and the others would be for his brothers. But interestingly enough some archaeologists refuse to see this as the site of the Israelites because it is in the wrong era historical period. They are looking in the wrong time period and this seems to come down to bad archaeological dating in Jericho at the start of the archaeological search for the conquest story.
It's a crazy situation and there seem to be archaeologists who are biased against the Bible and anything that might say that the Bible is right.

Kinda like how scientists are biased
and hate the bible and that's why evolution?

You want to claim bias, you better show it.

Meanwhile unless you can show Exodus evidence in respected
journals, your narrative has no value.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is there any proof for the passover, that Jews did indeed live as slaves in Egypt and that the miracles and curses existed, water turning to blood, the pestilences, firstborn being killed, etc.........and thee scape of Israelites from Egyptians into the red sea?

No. Its ancient mythology.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Thats interesting. How could documentary hypothesis apply to this?

I'm simply saying that I tend to take a more liberal understanding of the texts.

 

[firedragon]

I'm simply saying that I tend to take a more liberal understanding of the texts.

Oh okay.

I dont know what is liberal. But, the Documentary Hypothesis is a hypothesis Wellhausen came up with in the 19th century through excellent work of form criticism. It is a historical approach. Maybe you have referred to some other scholar who expounded on the documentary hypothesis and touched on some other aspects of the Bible. But the documentary hypothesis per se is not liberal or not. It is a textual analysis that identifies four different schools of thought that authored the pentateuch.

Thats why I was curious to understand what you meant.

 

[Harel13]

Oh okay.

I dont know what is liberal. But, the Documentary Hypothesis is a hypothesis Wellhausen came up with in the 19th century through excellent work of form criticism. It is a historical approach. Maybe you have referred to some other scholar who expounded on the documentary hypothesis and touched on some other aspects of the Bible. But the documentary hypothesis per se is not liberal or not. It is a textual analysis that identifies four different schools of thought that authored the pentateuch.

Thats why I was curious to understand what you meant.

It's liberal when compared to traditional Jewish views of the Tanach. I think that's what she meant.

 

[firedragon]

It's liberal when compared to traditional Jewish views of the Tanach. I think that's what she meant.

I am not used to using this word Liberal to a textual analysis like the documentary hypothesis.

But that's fine. Thanks for explaining.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Is there any proof for the passover, that Jews did indeed live as slaves in Egypt and that the miracles and curses existed, water turning to blood, the pestilences, firstborn being killed, etc.........and thee scape of Israelites from Egyptians into the red sea?

No.

In fact, there's a lot of evidence to the contrary.

 

[1213]

If they can find chariot wheels...

Then perhaps also blood sediments. But, perhaps I should travel to there and make my own studies.

 

[Riders]

No.

In fact, there's a lot of evidence to the contrary.

Give us some examples. I know there is a camp found where Egyptian Soldiers who were hired to build the pyramids are there, so it would suggest they did not use Jewish slaves to build the pyramids, and what else?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Oh okay.

I dont know what is liberal. But, the Documentary Hypothesis is a hypothesis Wellhausen came up with in the 19th century through excellent work of form criticism. It is a historical approach. Maybe you have referred to some other scholar who expounded on the documentary hypothesis and touched on some other aspects of the Bible. But the documentary hypothesis per se is not liberal or not. It is a textual analysis that identifies four different schools of thought that authored the pentateuch.

Thats why I was curious to understand what you meant.

Liberals not only use textual criticism to better understand the text, they also use literary analysis to identify genres such as myth and legend, and archeology to inform them.