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President Joe Biden Declares Easter Sunday As Transgender Day Of Visibility

Laniakea

Not of this world
Yes. And very likely it has happened.

"Man/woman" are social constructs. They are identities related to how we interact and relate to each other. They are malleable things.

For now, people with biologically male body parts are unable to get pregnant regardless of whether they are women or men in their social or personal identities. Should that matter? Of what practical purpose does knowing someone's ability to concieve serve beyond being in a relationship and having kids?

Why is it so important that a person born with specific chemistry that develops their neutral biology into specific reproductive purposes fall into line with things like clothing, pronouns, societal roles, and bathrooms?

Keep in mind that sex organs are analogous to each other: testicles are ovaries, labia are scrotum, and clitorides are penises, just developed differently based on hormones.

I understand that there are religious beliefs that may change a person's perception about this, but in secular society a person's reproductive status is their business.
"Very likely"?
Can you provide any evidence that a man pretending to be a woman has become pregnant?
BTW, changing the subject or attempting to make me defend asking you that question is not an answer.
 
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Colt

Well-Known Member
Which reminds me that when a hater of Christian conservatives accuses a Christian of being racist, there is no acceptable argument to prove otherwise.
One the label is applied, the accused is condemned. Just the way anti-Christians like it. It shuts down any hope of rational dialogue.
Joe Biden has literally been saying racist things throughout his career BUT like many other racists on the Left they enjoy a kind of immunity from scrutiny by appearing to champion anti discrimination causes.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Which reminds me that when a hater of Christian conservatives accuses a Christian of being racist, there is no acceptable argument to prove otherwise.
My education material when I was being programed by the church, which was very conservative, was terribly racist. Seriously, it's portrayal of society made it look like it was made when racial segregation was still the law. It was so racist it even tried to justify apartheid Africa amd say it was good.
And consider Conservative Evangelicals have largely aligned themselves with Trump, a man with a history of racism and xenophobia.
Amd another personal anecdote, moving away from Bible thumping rural Indiana to the much more liberal California (even the "Conservative" Central Valley is bleeding heart Liberal compared to Indiana) I have noticed an exponential decrease in the amount of Confederate flags I see as well as not hearing negative comments about miscegenation, nor do I hear wankers weaponizing the children of those couples (no one cares about it here).
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
My education material when I was being programed by the church, which was very conservative, was terribly racist. Seriously, it's portrayal of society made it look like it was made when racial segregation was still the law. It was so racist it even tried to justify apartheid Africa amd say it was good.
And consider Conservative Evangelicals have largely aligned themselves with Trump, a man with a history of racism and xenophobia.
Amd another personal anecdote, moving away from Bible thumping rural Indiana to the much more liberal California (even the "Conservative" Central Valley is bleeding heart Liberal compared to Indiana) I have noticed an exponential decrease in the amount of Confederate flags I see as well as not hearing negative comments about miscegenation, nor do I hear wankers weaponizing the children of those couples (no one cares about it here).

I can honestly say that the Trump supporters (who are conservative Christians) are the most hateful, obnoxious, and bigoted people I have ever met in my life. I can say that with complete confidence because I'm a former conservative evangelical Christian. I was also a registered Republican for 26 years.

During this time, I had a lot of conflict with other conservative Christians over their abhorrent contempt for women, minorities, immigrants (documented or not), and LGBTQ individuals. I also grew up in a predominantly conservative Christian environment (home and town) before that and have known many conservative Christians over the years through church and in places I've lived. In other words, I'm very familiar with them and how they normally behave.

I've shared the following stories in other threads on a similar topic to this one, but I'd like to share them again in response to your post.

The vast majority of my family are evangelical conservative Christians who believe that Trump is a devout Christian and that God sent him to reclaim America. In fact, I'm estranged from these relatives because of how they have treated me since I refused to support and vote for Trump. I have aunts, uncles, and cousins who turned on me and talked about me behind my back. I was uninvited to our family reunion in the summer following Trump's election. A family acquaintance informed me that I had been uninvited because my presence there would have upset everyone else. Unfortunately, the verbal abuse, the bullying, and the harassment increased substantially after I voted for Biden. I blocked the phone numbers of my relatives and former conservative friends, and I blocked a few of them on Facebook. One of the worst experiences for me was having to call the police on my cousin because he threatened to beat me up after he found out that I voted for Biden. My conservative friends turned their backs on me because I don't support Trump.

Lastly, I'm a former member of a Christian forum where the majority of the evangelicals genuinely believed and declared in their posts that Trump is a Christian, that God anointed him to reclaim America, and that God appointed him to purge America of liberals. Lastly, I'm a former member of a Christian forum where the majority of the evangelicals genuinely believed and declared in their posts that Trump is a Christian, that God anointed him to reclaim America, and that God appointed him to purge America of liberals. I was disparaged, called derogatory names, and accused of not being a true Christian whenever I voiced my objection to Trump in response to these Christians. I was called evil, godless, and referred to as a "demon rat." The harassment only intensified after I revealed that I had voted for Biden. I was told I had been demon-possessed, and that's why I voted for Biden. I was spitefully reported by several members, which resulted in my permanent ban with no warning. I reported those who harassed me, but I was told that I was the troublemaker. I received a warning, but the members who degraded and harassed me did not. A staff member who sympathized with me emailed me the day after I was banned to let me know that these members were gloating about how they got me and the other harassed user perma-banned. It was upsetting to read.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I can honestly say that the Trump supporters (who are conservative Christians) are the most hateful, obnoxious, and bigoted people I have ever met in my life. I can say that with complete confidence because I'm a former conservative evangelical Christian. I was also a registered Republican for 26 years.

During this time, I had a lot of conflict with other conservative Christians over their abhorrent contempt for women, minorities, immigrants (documented or not), and LGBTQ individuals. I also grew up in a predominantly conservative Christian environment (home and town) before that and have known many conservative Christians over the years through church and in places I've lived. In other words, I'm very familiar with them and how they normally behave.

I've shared the following stories in other threads on a similar topic to this one, but I'd like to share them again in response to your post.

The vast majority of my family are evangelical conservative Christians who believe that Trump is a devout Christian and that God sent him to reclaim America. In fact, I'm estranged from these relatives because of how they have treated me since I refused to support and vote for Trump. I have aunts, uncles, and cousins who turned on me and talked about me behind my back. I was uninvited to our family reunion in the summer following Trump's election. A family acquaintance informed me that I had been uninvited because my presence there would have upset everyone else. Unfortunately, the verbal abuse, the bullying, and the harassment increased substantially after I voted for Biden. I blocked the phone numbers of my relatives and former conservative friends, and I blocked a few of them on Facebook. One of the worst experiences for me was having to call the police on my cousin because he threatened to beat me up after he found out that I voted for Biden. My conservative friends turned their backs on me because I don't support Trump.

Lastly, I'm a former member of a Christian forum where the majority of the evangelicals genuinely believed and declared in their posts that Trump is a Christian, that God anointed him to reclaim America, and that God appointed him to purge America of liberals. Lastly, I'm a former member of a Christian forum where the majority of the evangelicals genuinely believed and declared in their posts that Trump is a Christian, that God anointed him to reclaim America, and that God appointed him to purge America of liberals. I was disparaged, called derogatory names, and accused of not being a true Christian whenever I voiced my objection to Trump in response to these Christians. I was called evil, godless, and referred to as a "demon rat." The harassment only intensified after I revealed that I had voted for Biden. I was told I had been demon-possessed, and that's why I voted for Biden. I was spitefully reported by several members, which resulted in my permanent ban with no warning. I reported those who harassed me, but I was told that I was the troublemaker. I received a warning, but the members who degraded and harassed me did not. A staff member who sympathized with me emailed me the day after I was banned to let me know that these members were gloating about how they got me and the other harassed user perma-banned. It was upsetting to read.
It is a group who even hates their own when they don't fully agree on doctrine/belong to a different denomination. They call it love, they can call it love all they want, that doesn't change the fact it's venomous, vile hatred. A hatred so strong that its focus and emphasis on hell and punishment and everyone going there because it's what they deserve that it's known for traumatizing children.
"I moreover believe, that any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system." -Thomas Paine.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Joe Biden has literally been saying racist things throughout his career BUT like many other racists on the Left they enjoy a kind of immunity from scrutiny by appearing to champion anti discrimination causes.
Then turn off the echo chamber.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
It is a group who even hates their own when they don't fully agree on doctrine/belong to a different denomination. They call it love, they can call it love all they want, that doesn't change the fact it's venomous, vile hatred. A hatred so strong that its focus and emphasis on hell and punishment and everyone going there because it's what they deserve that it's known for traumatizing children.
"I moreover believe, that any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system." -Thomas Paine.

There's an old saying that "Christians eat their own," and I'm living proof it's true. Many of the conservative Christians I knew accused me of being anti-Christian because I didn't vote for and support Trump, even though I was a Christian at the time. No one who accused me of this had ever attacked my personal faith or my character until I refused to politically support Trump. Some of them even called me anti-American and a traitor to my country.
 

rocala

Well-Known Member
One of the worst experiences for me was having to call the police on my cousin because he threatened to beat me up after he found out that I voted for Biden.
I am so sorry to read about the hurtful way that you have been treated. Clearly, Christian love is absent and respect for democracy is seriously lacking. You have to wonder what they think is left for Trump to defend?
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
"Very likely"?
Can you provide any evidence that a man pretending to be a woman has become pregnant?
BTW, changing the subject or attempting to make me defend asking you that question is not an answer.
Perhaps if you had read the whole post you quoted you could have saved yourself some embarrassment trying to be outraged for being "made" to ask a question that was already answered in the post you quoted...
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
"Very likely"?
Can you provide any evidence that a man pretending to be a woman has become pregnant?
BTW, changing the subject or attempting to make me defend asking you that question is not an answer.

I cannot. But it would be helpful if you read my post more carefully.

The reason I am giving is because "man/woman" is a social construct that is useful separate from the biological "male/female" (which is also a messy, complicated thing when viewed as a dichotomy).

Given that there are many people whose bodies have female anatomy but socially are more on the "man" side of the spectrum, very likely there are men (men) who have been pregnant.

I understand that this new thing of separating gender from sex can be difficult to grasp or accept by some people but it is likely going to stick as it is very useful and more descriptive of reality.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
I cannot. But it would be helpful if you read my post more carefully.

The reason I am giving is because "man/woman" is a social construct that is useful separate from the biological "male/female" (which is also a messy, complicated thing when viewed as a dichotomy).

Given that there are many people whose bodies have female anatomy but socially are more on the "man" side of the spectrum, very likely there are men (men) who have been pregnant.

I understand that this new thing of separating gender from sex can be difficult to grasp or accept by some people but it is likely going to stick as it is very useful and more descriptive of reality.
Masculine women or feminine men isn't a new thing, what's new is the insanity that the feminine man is actually a biological woman who can have children.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
IMO, it would be pretty hypocritical for the Christians who are upset about the Trans Day of Visibility to stand against the marginalization and discrimination of trans people, considering they're the source of most of the marginalization and discrimination.
I am in agreement. My post was about christians having a different response than outrage. If they change their behavior would you support them or call them hypocrites?
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
I don't think Biden's declaration is a potshot at Christians, but rather some disgruntled Christians with a persecution complex lamenting that their hallowed Easter is overshadowed by the public recognition of transgender people, whom they love to hate. They don't even bother to hide their religious bigotry.

So much for "love your neighbor as yourself," which is something I doubt they even consider.



Speaking from my experience with MAGA Christians, they will say that or something similar when hell freezes over.
I was just suggesting that Christians have a different response than they are having. Wasn't meant to be a springboard for more hate.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Masculine women or feminine men isn't a new thing, what's new is the insanity that the feminine man is actually a biological woman who can have children.
Why are conservatives so bent out of shape about trans people and their personal perspective? It reminds me of all those far right republicans who attacked gays, and then turned out being gay themselves. Could it be that those conservatives attacking trans people are telling us something about themselves?

I was just suggesting that Christians have a different response than they are having. Wasn't meant to be a springboard for more hate.
Yeah, how about them acting more like Jesus.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
This seems like just another mountain made of a mole hill for political reasons.

The day for Easter changes from year to year. The debate over when to celebrate Easter has been going on since the 2nd century and different denominations *still* celebrate on different days.


So, it is simply a coincidence that this year it falls on March 31.

The TDOV has been going on for the last 15 years *on the same date*.

It just seems a case of some Americans getting bent out of shape because people they don't like get recognition. Sorry, but that's life in a republic/democracy.
I agree that the christians are being ridiculous about this.

The US recognizes 3 different months and 8 days that promote transgender awareness. I don't know of any other group that has this amount of support. Unsurprisingly not included is Detrans awareness day on March 14th. These people are very marginalized because quite often they are marginalized by the trans community they are part of.
 
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