Premarital sex and Christianity

[CynthiaCypher]

It'd be a case by case basis.. Who's to tell your significant other whether to devalue you because you're not a virgin before marriage? He/she would need to make that decision.

Why should a person be considered devalued just because they are not virgins. What exactly make a non-virgin of less value than a virgin?

 

[columbus]

Yes, it is, partially. Our value depends on our intelligence, but also on our looks.

I disagree completely.

Intelligence has little to do with the value of a human being. Looks even less.

It's about your morals. Do you improve the human situation or degrade it? That is the question.

Tom

 

[Sleeppy]

Why should a person be considered devalued just because they are not virgins. What exactly make a non-virgin of less value than a virgin?

Think about it. Entertain the idea, even if it hurts. If you can't come up with any reasons whatsoever-- what am I doing providing them?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Think about it. Entertain the idea, even if it hurts. If you can't come up with any reasons whatsoever-- what am I doing providing them?

Honestly I cannot think of any rational reason why a virgin should be considered of more value than a non-virgin. Can you?

 

[Sleeppy]

Honestly I cannot think of any rational reason why a virgin should be considered of more value than a non-virgin. Can you?

I can think of reasons for both sides of most arguments.. It's a useful skill.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I can think of reasons for both sides of most arguments.. It's a useful skill.

Well goody for you. Evasive much?

 

[Sleeppy]

Well goody for you. Evasive much?

Yes... And no. I think you are more than capable of thinking of reasons a man, or woman would prefer his/her significant other be chaste before marriage. You were being evasive-- and I find that very childish/dishonest. For that reason, I was willing to return that evasiveness. But, I will humble myself and answer your question.

I have a bar of soap in the shower. I used that bar of soap yesterday morning. Today, I decide to give that bar of soap as a gift. I clean the bar of soap from all signs of my previous use. I then wrap the bar up, and give it to you. You unwrap the bar of soap, and use it the following morning. You then decide that you want to give the bar of soap as a gift. You do not clean the bar of soap. Instead, you leave hair and dirt visible on the soap. You wrap it up, and give it as a gift to your friend. Your friend unwraps the bar of soap, and sees that it has been used. Your friend is not disturbed; your friend is equally grateful to have a bar of soap, and uses it longer than everyone before him. Eventually, your friend also decides that the soap is worthy of being given as a gift.

Who valued the soap more than the others? Apparently no one. They all valued the soap equally, utilizing it in the same manner, and then gifting it. Did the soap work harder, or better, for any of the people who utilized it? Apparently not.

Your friend wraps the soap up, and gives it as a gift to another friend. That friend unwraps the soap and accepts the gift. That friend also has another bar of soap, that is unused. He uses both bars of soap. That friend then decides to give a bar of soap for a gift. That friend reasons, "Both are equally useful.. But I am the only one who has used this bar. I know this bar even more than the other, because I have not known the other's origin or travels. If anything, I can remain loyal to the bar I have known since its origin, and it will always be known to me. No one will be able to say they received more or less from my bar, because I will receive it all. This bar will also know more of me, than it would if it were passed along." So that friend wraps up the other bar and gives it as a gift. This time, when the bar is unwrapped by its recipient, the recipient is perplexed. It has obviously been reused many times. The last recipient says about the soap; "Is there something wrong with this soap, that not one person decided to keep it for themselves? Why should I keep it at all?" The gifter then says, "Nope; it was a perfectly useful gift." The recipient then accepts the gift, and uses it gratefully. After a while, the recipient receives a rash, which the doctor determines resulted from the uncleanliness of the soap. The doctor suggests that the recipient knows the history of any other soap before using, to avoid similar circumstances from recurring. The recipient then decides it is easier to use unused soap, from then on, than to inquire about all the other recipients of a particular bar of soap.


Now..

Imagine living thousands of years ago, when people were aware of sexually transmitted diseases, but unsure of their exact transmission methods, etc-- and unable to call a doctor and ask who, where and why.

Imagine being a man who marries a woman who doesn't know she's pregnant. You end up thinking you have a child, when in fact you're raising someone else's.

Imagine that tomorrow your marriage partner, who has an extensive sexual history, one day decides that you aren't up to par with their previous partners. Your partner decides that instead of having mediocre sexual relations with you all the time, they'll introduce their previous sexual partner, or divorce you. Consider that your partner may not wish to hurt your feelings, and instead of being forthcoming, cheats whenever possible.

Imagine having children by three different men. All three like to travel. All three like to see their children on a regular basis. Your current man doesn't like the other three at all. Imagine the complications, especially thousands or even hundreds of years ago.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Yes... And no. I think you are more than capable of thinking of reasons a man, or woman would prefer his/her significant other be chaste before marriage. You were being evasive-- and I find that very childish/dishonest. For that reason, I was willing to return that evasiveness. But, I will humble myself and answer your question.

I have a bar of soap in the shower. I used that bar of soap yesterday morning. Today, I decide to give that bar of soap as a gift. I clean the bar of soap from all signs of my previous use. I then wrap the bar up, and give it to you. You unwrap the bar of soap, and use it the following morning. You then decide that you want to give the bar of soap as a gift. You do not clean the bar of soap. Instead, you leave hair and dirt visible on the soap. You wrap it up, and give it as a gift to your friend. Your friend unwraps the bar of soap, and sees that it has been used. Your friend is not disturbed; your friend is equally grateful to have a bar of soap, and uses it longer than everyone before him. Eventually, your friend also decides that the soap is worthy of being given as a gift.

Who valued the soap more than the others? Apparently no one. They all valued the soap equally, utilizing it in the same manner, and then gifting it. Did the soap work harder, or better, for any of the people who utilized it? Apparently not.

Your friend wraps the soap up, and gives it as a gift to another friend. That friend unwraps the soap and accepts the gift. That friend also has another bar of soap, that is unused. He uses both bars of soap. That friend then decides to give a bar of soap for a gift. That friend reasons, "Both are equally useful.. But I am the only one who has used this bar. I know this bar even more than the other, because I have not known the other's origin or travels. If anything, I can remain loyal to the bar I have known since its origin, and it will always be known to me. No one will be able to say they received more or less from my bar, because I will receive it all. This bar will also know more of me, than it would if it were passed along." So that friend wraps up the other bar and gives it as a gift. This time, when the bar is unwrapped by its recipient, the recipient is perplexed. It has obviously been reused many times. The last recipient says about the soap; "Is there something wrong with this soap, that not one person decided to keep it for themselves? Why should I keep it at all?" The gifter then says, "Nope; it was a perfectly useful gift." The recipient then accepts the gift, and uses it gratefully. After a while, the recipient receives a rash, which the doctor determines resulted from the uncleanliness of the soap. The doctor suggests that the recipient knows the history of any other soap before using, to avoid similar circumstances from recurring. The recipient then decides it is easier to use unused soap, from then on, than to inquire about all the other recipients of a particular bar of soap.


Now..

Imagine living thousands of years ago, when people were aware of sexually transmitted diseases, but unsure of their exact transmission methods, etc-- and unable to call a doctor and ask who, where and why.

Imagine being a man who marries a woman who doesn't know she's pregnant. You end up thinking you have a child, when in fact you're raising someone else's.

Imagine that tomorrow your marriage partner, who has an extensive sexual history, one day decides that you aren't up to par with their previous partners. Your partner decides that instead of having mediocre sexual relations with you all the time, they'll introduce their previous sexual partner, or divorce you. Consider that your partner may not wish to hurt your feelings, and instead of being forthcoming, cheats whenever possible.

Imagine having children by three different men. All three like to travel. All three like to see their children on a regular basis. Your current man doesn't like the other three at all. Imagine the complications, especially thousands or even hundreds of years ago.

Oh I see. You think a person is like a bar of soap, an object to be used for your purposes. And you wouldn't want to touch a bar of soap used by another person because that would be nasty.

Are you say you are not a misogynist? You are misogynistic as they get. Don't you feel any shame?

 

[columbus]

Oh I see. You think a person is like a bar of soap, an object to be used for your purposes. And you wouldn't want to touch a bar of soap used by another person because that would be nasty.

Are you say you are not a misogynist? You are misogynistic as they get. Don't you feel any shame?

That really was a disgusting post. I'm hard to impress.

Tom

 

[Sleeppy]

Oh I see. You think a person is like a bar of soap, an object to be used for your purposes. And you wouldn't want to touch a bar of soap used by another person because that would be nasty.

Are you say you are not a misogynist? You are misogynistic as they get. Don't you feel any shame?

That's interesting.. You really could not accurately interpret that? There aren't any big words, whatsoever. That's disappointing.-- Do you have a significant other?

 

[Sleeppy]

That really was a disgusting post. I'm hard to impress.

Tom

You too, Tom? What exactly disgusted you? Try quoting the post.

 

[columbus]

You too, Tom? What exactly disgusted you? Try quoting the post.

Equating women with bars of soap.

I realize it was meant as an analogy or metaphor or something. But it was still gross.

Tom

 

[Sleeppy]

Equating women with bars of soap.

I realize it was meant as an analogy or metaphor or something. But it was still gross.

Tom

What makes you think I was only equating women with the soap?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

That really was a disgusting post. I'm hard to impress.

Tom

I need brain bleach after that one.

 

[columbus]

Try quoting the post.

Replace "soap" with "condom". It will be the same analogy, only more apt.

Tom

 

[Sleeppy]

I need brain bleach after that one.

Give reasons, Cynthia.. It shouldn't be hard.

 

[Sleeppy]

Replace "soap" with "condom". It will be the same analogy, only more apt.

Tom

Give reasons, Tom.. It shouldn't be hard.

 

[columbus]

What makes you think I was only equating women with the soap?

Its hard for me to c&p more than one bit at a time. So here you go

Imagine being a man who marries a woman who doesn't know she's pregnant. You end up thinking you have a child, when in fact you're raising someone else's.

Tom

 

[Sleeppy]

I need brain bleach after that one.

Replace "soap" with "condom". It will be the same analogy, only more apt.

Tom

If the soap analogy is too much for adult brains to handle, skip it. I would think as adults, we should be quite fond of, and familiar with soap.. Soap shouldn't be quite that disgusting for you two.

 

[Sleeppy]

Its hard for me to c&p more than one bit at a time. So here you go



Tom

Men aren't able to give birth, Tom. That particular example doesn't quite work in reverse.. If it had, I would've included it. -- The soap analogy applies to both men (including myself; I've had premarital sex) and women. Any other concerns?