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Featured Poll: Chopping off a hand for religious reasons?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Eddi, Apr 20, 2021.

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  1. Eddi

    Eddi reformed crackpot

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    Here is a link to a newspaper story about a Buddhist Monk who chopped off one of his hands for spiritual reasons. Apparently so that he'd be reincarnated as something cool after he dies:

    Buddhist monk chops off his own head with a guillotine to please Buddha | Daily Mail Online

    Poll: would you cut off one of your hands for spiritual reasons? For instance, to get closer to God?

    For me: No. No I wouldn't. I don't believe doing so would please God.

    Look at it this way: the more hands I have, the more I can please God.
     
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  2. Harel13

    Harel13 Nin-Jew Master
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    The article says he chopped off his head. So your question should be whether you'd commit suicide for spirituality.
     
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  3. Eddi

    Eddi reformed crackpot

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    Oh no, I misread it :oops:

    Thanks for pointing that out

    That's even worse!

    How would one even go about doing that!

    If someone told me to cut off my own head I wouldn't know where to begin
     
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  4. Musing Bassist

    Musing Bassist Mihi Quaestio Factus Sum

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    I think decapitating yourself to procure karmic merit is deranged. So, I voted no.
     
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  5. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    I'd probably rather chop off my hand than my head. *yikes*

    Personally I'd be partial for keeping all members intact.
     
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  6. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    I agree. It was a pretty stupid thing to do. Not to mention I would think a precept not to harm was discounted.

    It seems the guy got greedy for something better then what he had and well. If being a decapitated corpse is better...

    Whatever floats the boat I suppose.
     
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  7. Rival

    Rival Ankh, Wedja, Seneb
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    Well, I mean, his head clearly wasn't working anyway so....................
     
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  8. RestlessSoul

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    I’m not chopping anything off. Reluctant to even get a post Lockdown haircut tbh.
     
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  9. Secret Chief

    Secret Chief Meghalayan Ape

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    He misread the instructions, he was only supposed to chop off an arm.

    "Legend has it that Bodhidharma initially refused to teach Huike. Huike stood in the snow outside Bodhidharma's cave all night, until the snow reached his waist. In the morning Bodhidharma asked him why he was there. Huike replied that he wanted a teacher to "open the gate of the elixir of universal compassion to liberate all beings."
    Bodhidharma refused, saying, "how can you hope for true religion with little virtue, little wisdom, a shallow heart, and an arrogant mind? It would just be a waste of effort."
    Finally, to prove his resolve, Huike cut off his left arm and presented it to the First Patriarch as a token of his sincerity. Bodhidharma then accepted him as a student, and changed his name from Shenguang to Huike, which means "Wisdom and Capacity." "

    - Dazu Huike - Wikipedia

    As referenced by @Twilight Hue it goes again the precept of killing. Personally I wouldn't chop my own head off, unless the only alternative was being made to read the Daily Mail in which case I'd happily do it with a rusty old fruit knife.
     
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  10. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    and the Carpenter said....
    If your hand offends you.....cut it off
    If your eye offends you...gouge it out
    better to enter paradise maimed
    than to burn in gehenna whole

    I do see this as a metaphor
    it points to what you do
    and how you see things
     
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  11. Windwalker

    Windwalker Veteran Member
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    I recall watching a special about people who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. Everyone who managed to not die, all said that as they cleared the railing and were out in open space about to drop to their deaths, they instantly knew this was the biggest mistake they had ever made in their lives and wished they could take it back. Killing yourself for a spiritual gain I would think would reveal that choice to be a horrible error as well.

    Maybe he just couldn't bring himself to let go of his ego the normal way to find Enlightenment? Shortcut to Nirvana? I'm pretty sure this didn't help him on that path for the next reincarnation. He'll still need to learn how to do that, without killing the body next time around if he hopes to find Awakening. :shrug:
     
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  12. Israel Khan

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    Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate, The early Christians, 9/11 Terrorists... committing suicide for spirituality is pretty normal.
     
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  13. Rival

    Rival Ankh, Wedja, Seneb
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    Tbf many of these folks were straight up murdered.
     
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    Funnily enough, many people get their's or their children's foreskin chopped off for spiritual reasons. In Africa, even today, people get theirs chopped off in the bush. And they get that done as a coming of age ceremony, so like when the are 16 or older.
     
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  15. Israel Khan

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    Well, they did have mass suicide rehearsals before hand, so I am still contemplating whether it was a murder or not. There was long term conditioning involved.
     
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  16. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Yes, the Lord High Executioner, Koko, in Gilbert and Sullivan's operetta The Mikado had a similar problem:

    KoKo: I can't execute myself.

    Pooh-Bah. Why not?

    Ko-Ko. Why not? Because, in the first place, self decapitation is an extremely difficult, not to say dangerous, thing to attempt; and, in the second, it's suicide, and suicide is a capital offence.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Yes, we know it's true: religion can lead to quite stupid acts. Fortunately, not everybody who is religious falls into that sort of lunacy.
     
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    Between suicide and celibacy one would expect that religiosity would have gotten a Darwin Award already. But for every suicide there is a couple breeding like bunnies.
     
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  19. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    I think a boy at our primary school managed that (decapitated himself, or his mate did) - by the use of presumably a hydraulic scissor platform used to service street lights. He apparently had his head where it shouldn't have been when a button was pressed - to release the pressure and collapse the platform possibly. Not sure about the details - just that he had died in relation to such equipment and told to us all at assembly. Might have been a case of Nearly Headless Nick rather than fully off though. :oops:
     
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  20. Saint Frankenstein

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    No, that's insane and sick. If your religion is leading you to harm or kill yourself (or does nothing to prevent you from doing those things), either you've misunderstood the religion or the religion is batty and you should run from it.
     
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