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Featured Peace & Security or Sudden Destruction?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by nPeace, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    The "great tribulation" is for everyone, especially the nations/Gentiles. The "great tribulation" will be "cut short" for the "elect", less no one would survive (Matthew 24:24). The fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD was simply the 3rd fall of Jerusalem. Now that Jerusalem has been "restored" (Joel 3:1), the valley of judgment can proceed against the nations/Gentiles. Jacob will be saved (Jeremiah 30:7), but the nations/Gentiles, "I will destroy" (Jeremiah 30:11). The nations still rule to this day. They have not been "all crushed at the same time" (Daniel 2:35 & 44-45). The "great tribulation" is "such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world (Matthew 24:21). The 70 AD fall of Jerusalem resulted in about 1 million Jewish deaths, a lot due to infighting among the Jews. The nations, in the form of Rome, the legs of iron, were pretty much left untouched, for they starved out the defenders. Rome was not crushed at that time, and Titus walked away to later become emperor of Rome. The valley of Jehoshaphat (judgment) is the valley of Jezreel, which is in view of Tel-Magedon, is north of Jerusalem. The dead are in the grave, not on a cloud playing a harp. The nations will worship the king in Jerusalem, by keeping the feast of Booths every year (Zechariah 14:16). And the "Word of God" will rule over the nations with a "rod of iron" (Revelation 19:13-15). And David will be king/prince over Israel (Ezekiel 37:24 & 28) & (Ezekiel 34:24) on the land I gave Jacob (Ezekiel 37:25).
     
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    So, you have been non physically "persecuted for the sake of righteousness" (Matthew 5:10). How is that so? What "righteousness" have you committed, and who is persecuting you? And who is "they" who would "silence" you? As for "everyone on this planet", except for your neighbor, who may think you play your music too loud, pretty much no one does know that you exist. What ever you do, don't start cutting off peoples ears to bring attention to your existence. I think you have the cart before the horse. You are supposed to look out after other people, they are not supposed to look out after you. And a humble person doesn't bring attention to how merciful they are.
     
  3. savagewind

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    You are right. Are you having reading difficulty?

    Tell me. What is the difference between causing a soul's physical death and treating a soul like it is nothing?

    Do you believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life?

    If yes, then what truth? Isn't it what God says? Is the Bible what God says?
     
  4. sooda

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    There were never a million Jews in all of Palestine. The largest population they have ever had was 700,000 and that's a generous exaggeration.

    And Israel hasn't been restored.. They don't have a king.

    The Gentiles didn't reject Jesus or crucify him.. That was the Sanhedrin and the Roman curate.

    The tribulation was LOCAL.. Jesus said you could escape it by fleeing to the mountains.

    “This generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” (Mk. 13:30[​IMG])

    “Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come?” (Lk. 3:7[​IMG])

    “The axe is already laid at the root of the trees.” (Lk. 3:9[​IMG])

    “His winnowing fork is in His hand…” (Lk. 3:17[​IMG])

    “The kingdom of God has come near to you.” (Lk. 10:9[​IMG])

    “The kingdom of God has come near.” (Lk. 10:11[​IMG])

    “What, therefore, will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy these vine-growers and will give the vineyard to others.” …The scribes and the chief priests…understood that He spoke this parable against them.” (Lk. 20:15-16[​IMG],19[​IMG])

    “These are days of vengeance, in order that all things which are written may be fulfilled.” (Lk. 21:22[​IMG])

    “This generation will not pass away until all things take place.” (Lk. 21:32[​IMG])
     
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    So you are more righteous than the Pharisees and did you determine this yourself?

    Scripture please?

    Since "God laughs at the sinners" isn't He laughing at you too? Or are you claiming, you who make no claims, that your day hasn't arrived yet?

    And what about the scripture quoted earlier, like this one:

    Proverbs 20:9

    Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”?​

    Do we finally have an answer, and his name is 2ndpillar?
     
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    Also in 69 AD civil war broke out in Rome so yes they suffered as well.
     
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    savagewind,
    The governing body does not say or even believe that they are the only ones who understand the Holy Scriptures. The governing body has written, several times, that there are many people who have been studying the Scriptures many years, who know the Scriptures as well as they do. They study the Bible and try to help the ones who do not understand things, to study themselves and try to understand what the Bible clearly says. When people start to study they cannot understand many things, but as they are helped to understand the simple things, then they start to understand the more deep things of God, Hebrews 6:1-3, 1Corinthians 2:1-16. Babes, who can understand the Scriptures, still need to be taught the Scriptures, then they can understand them.
    There is one thing that you know, but should think about. There are only three professions today, Law, Medical, and Religion! It takes many years to become proficient, versed, in either of these professions. Even though babes can understand when things are explained to them, it still takes time.
    Many people, like you, for instance, remain babes, because they fight everything, because they do not really want to understand, because that would limit their immoral or illegal actions. They want to do what they want to do, when that want to, and do not want, even The God Almighty to tell them what to do, even though the things that God tells mankind is for their own good, Deuteronomy 10:13, Psalm 32:6-10, Isaiah 48:17-19.
    Consider what is written in the Bible, as the alternative to listening to the word of God. Proverbs 1:7,19, 20-33. Proverbs 2:1-15, 21,22.
    Notice thatGod wants everyone to live, but when the time runs out, He has no alternative but to destroy all who, just will not listen, Isaiah 26:8-14, 1Timothy 2:3-5, 2Peter 3:9-13, 15-18.
    Agape!!!
     
  9. 2ndpillar

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    I am just quoting Yeshua as to what is required to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Apparently, "few" find that "narrow way" (Matthew 7:14). As for who are the "elect", it would be those written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (Revelation 20:12) & (Revelation 13:8), the rest would worship the beast.
     
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    And I once stubbed my toe, and "suffered as well", but even though it hurt, I didn't consider it the "great tribulation" whereas all the kingdoms of Daniel 2:35 were "crushed all at the same time".
     
  12. savagewind

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    Good proof. Thanks.
    uha.
     
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    Are you comparing your stubbed toe to the tribulation they experienced from 67 to 70 AD?

    What church do you attend?
     
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    The Elect
    God's Chosen People


    To the Christians dispersed among the nations Peter writes: "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy" (1 Peter 2:9,10).

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    The Elect, God's Chosen People
     
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    Oeste,
    I read your post, and I can find no reason for your statements, because the teaching about unnatural sex has always been the same. There was never a time when Jesus was worshipped, in the WT organization. I can only assume that you want to believe what you want to believe, and have NO person, even The God Almighty Himself, to tell you what is wrong.
    All witnesses want all people to live, but it is completely up to you, whether you listen or do not, we will all stand before The Judgement seat, for ourselves, Romans 14:10-12.
    We all must love our neighbor as ourselves, so we try to help anyone understand what the Bible days, but the Bible itself says that only a few will get into the kingdom of God, Matthew 7:13,14.
    Luke 13:23,24.
    For a person to understand God’s word, he must become like a child, ask questions, and not make ridiculous assertions when he has just started to study, and is still a babe in the truth, still partaking of milk, like you, who has only a nodding acquaintance with The Holy Scriptures, Matthew 18:1-7. We are ordered to teach others, after we have learned truths of the Bible, and any that try to stumble others, sin against Jesus, 1Corinthians 8:11,12, Mark 9:41,42, Romans 1:18, 1Thessalonians 2;13-16. 2Thessalonians 2:10-13. We must all have love for each other, or we cannot survive the coming of Jesus, which is very near, Acts 17:31, Matthew 25: 31-46.
    I am afraid that you have allowed to befall you, just what was warned against, at Acts 13:40,41.
    Agape!!!
     
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    The oldest profession is considered by some to be prostitution. According to Genesis, the first profession was a farmer named Cain. As for babes, none get it but babes (Matthew 11:25), and the "wise and intelligent" are left in the cold.
     
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    One doesn't have to be a gullible victims of charlatans and false prophets either.
     
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    You have chosen the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:16-17, Peter,the guy Satan asked to sift like wheat, a guy who Paul said was a apostle to the circumcised (Galatians 2:8) to misrepresent a quote taken from three different places in the bible, (Isaiah 43:20-22) which refers to Jacob/Israel, and Isaiah 61:6, with respect to Israel after the rejoining of Judah with Ephraim, and Deuteronomy 7:6, which refers to Israel. The "Stone of Stumbling" (1 Peter 2:8) is the "stone" the "Christians" and Israel both stumble over, but is addressed to Israel. (Isaiah 8:14).
     
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    Apparently, anyone not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will be a victim of being "deceived" (Revelation 13:8 & 14). Those considering themselves "wise and intelligent" seem to fall the hardest.
     
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    That's not what Rev 13:8 says
     
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