Pastor Claims Porn Is OK, as Long as It's 'Ethically' Sourced

[Saint Frankenstein]

I cant help it that someone who could only know that, "there's a ton of amateur videos on PornHub where they're high on meth or shooting, smoking or snorting meth and all you have to do is search "meth" or "chem sex" to find those. It's rather depressing." unless he had been there doing that, "searching," appears deviant. So yes, by his actions SF has implied deviancy. I can't help what he does, Now if you don't feel that searching out porn sites "where they're high on meth or shooting, smoking or snorting meth and all" implies deviancy, fine. To me it kind of does.



I try to choose my words carefully so there's no mistaking what I mean. If I had intended to call him deviant I would have. But I didn't intend to, which is why I said, "Sounds a bit deviant if you ask me." Hopefully you recognized the difference.


No necessarily a dumb person at all. Why would you extrapolate this beyond its common implications? Never mind I have a very good idea.



Not at all.




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You need to drop it and move the hell on.

 

[Skwim]

My mom told me, when I was young, that sex is about love and that porn teaches people that the love factor is not important in sexual relationships...

(please nobody say anything about my mom because she just passed away a few months ago at 67 from pancreatic cancer. She was a beautiful human being and the nicest person I have ever met)

Sorry for your loss. From personal experience I know losing a parent is not easy.

In regard to your mothers comment, "porn teaches people that the love factor is not important in sexual relationships." I would amend this to say "porn illustrates that the love factor doesn't have to be important in sexual relationships.

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[Skwim]

You need to drop it and move the hell on.

How about telling those who bring up the issue to drop it and move the hell on? Oh, that's right. They're on "your side."

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[Shad]

LOL!

Porn is 'okay' as long as it celebrates sexual diversity!? What the...

Anything is acceptable if you tack diversity on to it these days. It is a buzzword.

 

[Shad]

I'd say it also does the same for men. It also presents unrealistic ideas of what sex in general is like.

Ron Jeremy.......

 

[Cooky]

Minors aren't supposed to be on a porn site in the first place, letting alone searching anything on one. I'm not their nanny.

Okie dokie then. Not your problem.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I cant help it that someone who could only know that, "there's a ton of amateur videos on PornHub where they're high on meth or shooting, smoking or snorting meth and all you have to do is search "meth" or "chem sex" to find those. It's rather depressing." unless he had been there doing that, "searching," appears deviant. So yes, by his actions SF has implied deviancy. I can't help what he does, Now if you don't feel that searching out porn sites "where they're high on meth or shooting, smoking or snorting meth and all" implies deviancy, fine. To me it kind of does.

You have no idea where the knowledge of these videos comes from, only your own assumptions (near assertions, I might add), which you jumped all over like a Cellar Master stomping grapes.

I try to choose my words carefully so there's no mistaking what I mean.

Not sure I see this in the posts I have been referring to in this thread. It all seemed very passive-aggressive to me. Worded specifically so that you could back-track out of your snarky implications. It's a trick I call theists out on so often - I am entirely too used to seeing it. And all they do is (care to guess?) deny, deny deny. Sort of like you're doing now. I know what I saw and inferred from your posts. If you don't like it... maybe be even more careful next time? If you don't care... good for you - you're such a champion.

If I had intended to call him deviant I would have.

Uh-huh. Got it.

But I didn't intend to, which is why I said, "Sounds a bit deviant if you ask me." Hopefully you recognized the difference.

Haha... what you're saying "sounds a bit dumb if you ask me." Hopefully the difference there isn't lost on you either. I mean absolutely no offense. Pfffff....

No necessarily a dumb person at all. Why would you extrapolate this beyond its common implications? Never mind, I have a very good idea.

Your comment was directly aimed at making @Saint Frankenstein look foolish if he came back asking questions about your tastes... something I can very, very easily imagine is not something you want in the slightest. I should know, I have employed this tactic on occasion... and readily admit that it is a pretty dirty move.

 

[columbus]

I suppose you think it's also a mere accident of history that the push to end slavery came from predominantly Christian societies.

No, it's because Christianity was so pervasive and dominant that virtually everyone, slave owners and abolitionists alike, were Christians.

And since the Bible is such a pastiche of verses supporting wildly different morality and ethical codes, pretty much anybody can support whatever they want to believe with "God says..."
Tom

 

[stvdv]

She said, "I'm not going to shame people when they already feel ashamed. People have viewed erotic imagery since we could scratch it on the inside of caves ... If we took shame out of the fact that people like to view erotic imagery, the compulsive behavior around consuming pornography would decrease."

Very good view. As long as people "judge" porn they will be attracted to it and feel guilty about it, and will feel miserable and watch even more.

 

[Salvador]

If there is a God, does He respect individual privacy? Would God be wrong to spy on people while they are getting aroused from watching porn? If God doesn't spy on people while they are watching porn, does God spy on every person's web browser history?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

So, does she have a valid point or not?

I wouldn't necessarily call it moral, just not immoral as long as rights are respected. The most "moral" porn would be animated or virtual or such porn, at least until AI becomes sentient.

And while erotic imagery isn't new, the ability to stream hardcore pornography is. The psychological effects of seeing a cave painting are not on remotely the same scale as the as constant viewing of high definition videos. So the whole argument is nonsense because it is an apples to glockenspiels comparison. The erotic imagery of the past is not the hardcore pornography of today.

My brother told me the thing he didn't like about porn is that there's no plot and that he'd prefer sex to be part of a relationship and a plotline, not just there for the sake of being there. I'm asexual, so porn just doesn't do it for me anyway. I don't want my own sex, much less watch someone else's. If a rapist or sex addict can get off with porn, I'd rather have them do that than hurting other people.

We gotta pick our battles, sometimes.

Christ was quite clear about this.

Lots of Christians have families when he specifically said you had to hate and leave your family before you could follow him. Jesus has "issues" and that should be accounted for before just jumping in to whatever he is talking about.

I doubt it. And even if that were true, there's only so many cave paintings a caveman would have had access to at any given time. I really, really doubt cavemen were spending their days compulsively masturbating over the same cave paintings over and over.

That's what theatrical dance is for.

I suppose you think it's also a mere accident of history that the push to end slavery came from predominantly Christian societies.

Those same societies that boast of ending slavery while still having it, sexual or otherwise?
What is Modern Slavery?

Given that prisoners are exempt from the ban of slavery in the Constitution, we never REALLY ended it, did we? There are imprisoned slaves fighting fires in CA NOW.

Because if human beings have no innate dignity then there's no rational basis to object to slavery.

Christianity says we're all dirty sinners that God doesn't want to have anything to do with unless we kiss His behind. Christianity doesn't teach "dignity" by any stretch of the imagination.

nor unclean person

Jesus can't go to heaven? He spent lots of time with unclean people, making him unclean per the Law.

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Eph 5

It's odd that God is so against sex when having lots of it was like the first rule right out the gate.

Remember, our Creator is the one who has the right to make the rules.

And yet somehow all our rules were written by men, usually probably closeted men who weren't getting laid and were thus bitter about it.

Murder, nor porn is acceptable, if you want a long life.

Lots of old people have murdered and participated somehow in porn.

This guy didn't exactly die in his teens or anything.

Hugh Hefner: Dies at 91.
Jesus: Dies in 30s.

What moral shall we draw from this?

 

[Cooky]

If there is a God, does He respect individual privacy? Would God be wrong to spy on people while they are getting aroused from watching porn? If God doesn't spy on people while they are watching porn, does God spy on every person's web browser history?

You just put it on "secret mode" and God respects that.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Mmh, maybe that is why my husband does not like me to watch James Bond.

Ciao

- viole

Society's favorite psychopath

 

[david-david]

Okay.. so it could be like this...

Guys who are not in any kind of committed responsible relationship look at porn because they are alone at home. Okay. Maybe if they were busy taking care of the wife and bills and plates and dishes and dinner and carpet cleaning and other around the house and work chores, etc... they wouldn't have time nor need 'porn'. but maybe because they do not have these sorts of things, they look on porn like they would watch a t.v program while having a beer.


Having a talkative 'wife' could prove the solution for 'porn' addiction if she knew when to talk and when not to.


And when children arrive:

Remember to bring them up in the discipline and instruction of The Lord.

Ephesians 6:4 "Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord."


A letter to the Gentiles for Gentile living, not under the Law of Y'srael, but under the law of the land, and in the discipline and instruction of The Lord.

Red light means STOP. Green light means GO. Yellow light can be taught in/from the law of the land and in the discipline and instruction of The Lord.


Have we covered the birds and the bees, yet?

Don't forget..

Little 'girls' have ideas of Princes in Shining Armor in a Perfect City.
Little 'boys' look to see what his parents are doing.

They will not remain 'little' girls and boys for too long.

 

[Skwim]

And when children arrive:
Remember to bring them up in the discipline and instruction of The Lord.
Ephesians 6:4 "Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord."

I always thought the Biblical advice in Deuteronomy 21:18-21 was pretty valuable.

18 “A man might have a son who is stubborn and refuses to obey. This son does not obey his father or mother. They punish the son, but he still refuses to listen to them. 19 His father and mother must then take him to the leaders of the town at the town meeting place. 20 They must say to the leaders of the town: ‘Our son is stubborn and refuses to obey. He does not do anything we tell him to do. He eats and he drinks too much.’ 21 Then the men in the town must kill the son with stones. . . ."​

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[Woberts]

I suppose you think it's also a mere accident of history that the push to end slavery came from predominantly Christian societies.

Practically all societies were Christian societies. Also, there's this:
Museum highlights ‘Slave Bible’ that focuses on servitude, leaves out freedom - Religion News Service

 

[Shad]

If there is a God, does He respect individual privacy? Would God be wrong to spy on people while they are getting aroused from watching porn? If God doesn't spy on people while they are watching porn, does God spy on every person's web browser history?

Is God omniscient? If yes no spying is required to gain knowledge as God already knew. If not then we are talking about God, as in outside the classical definition, but god.

 

[PruePhillip]

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"More Americans are changing their views on pornography. A 2018 Gallup poll reported that 43 percent now believe that porn is 'morally acceptable'.

That's a 7 percent increase over 2017 and the highest level since Gallup began measuring moral perceptions of pornography in 2011. The liberal view of porn is also making inroads in the church.

Recently, Nadia Bolz-Weber, an Evangelical Lutheran Church pastor and founder of the House for All Saints and Sinners in Denver, told Out In Jersey about her thoughts on "ethical pornography."​

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Porn is fine IF you believe in a continuing revelation from God.
I see no evidence for any new revelation - the change is solely
from the church, her church.
But it's coming. The book of Revelations speaks of what I
believe is the current church - no more the sound of the bride
and bridegroom, no more the lighted candle (this written when
Christians did not have any "temples build with hands") but a
cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

 

[viole]

Society's favorite psychopath

Well, I like psychopaths. I mean, not the ones like Hannibal Lecter, even though he is my fav villain in the history of Hollywood.

However, there are psychopaths which are great at their work. If I had to sustain a difficult medical operation, I would rather be operated by a psychopathic surgeon then by a guy with normal empathy levels.

Ciao

- viole

 

[BilliardsBall]

Well, it isn't sex with the consumer of the porn, so various ethical issues like potential pregnancy and disease are avoided. That makes it significantly different than typical prostitution.

That said, I'm not against legal prostitution once issues of disease transmission are dealt with.

That's not how laws work. The people having sex on camera are at high risk for many things as well as acting illegally.