Pastor Claims Porn Is OK, as Long as It's 'Ethically' Sourced

[Skwim]

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"More Americans are changing their views on pornography. A 2018 Gallup poll reported that 43 percent now believe that porn is 'morally acceptable'.

That's a 7 percent increase over 2017 and the highest level since Gallup began measuring moral perceptions of pornography in 2011. The liberal view of porn is also making inroads in the church.

Recently, Nadia Bolz-Weber, an Evangelical Lutheran Church pastor and founder of the House for All Saints and Sinners in Denver, told Out In Jersey about her thoughts on "ethical pornography."

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She said, "Now, there are issues of justice and exploitation within the porn industry, no question, but it doesn't mean consumption of pornography should be shamed. There is ethically sourced porn. There are people who say it's sexual immorality, but if you take liberals and conservatives who show outrage and made a Venn diagram of those who consume pornography, you'd see a huge overlap."

Ethical porn is considered to be pornography that is legally made, respects the performers' rights, uses good working conditions and celebrates sexual diversity and similar characteristics.

Bolz-Weber voiced concern that the church's stand against porn is based on shame.

She said, "I'm not going to shame people when they already feel ashamed. People have viewed erotic imagery since we could scratch it on the inside of caves ... If we took shame out of the fact that people like to view erotic imagery, the compulsive behavior around consuming pornography would decrease."
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So, does she have a valid point or not?

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[Revoltingest]

This sounds like progress.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Ethical porn is considered to be pornography that is legally made, respects the performers' rights, uses good working conditions and celebrates sexual diversity and similar characteristics.

This sounds like a worthy goal to work towards no matter how you feel about the personal consumption of pornographic material.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Apparently Christian churches are just playing catch up with the Church of Satan when it comes to sexual ethics now. Lol.

 

[Cooky]

. it doesn't mean consumption of pornography should be shamed. There is ethically sourced porn...

...Ethical porn is considered to be pornography that is legally made, respects the performers' rights, uses good working conditions and celebrates sexual diversity​

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LOL!

Porn is 'okay' as long as it celebrates sexual diversity!? What the...

 

[Cooky]

This sounds like a worthy goal to work towards no matter how you feel about the personal consumption of pornographic material.

Yeah, because if porn doesn't celebrate sexual diversity, then it's clearly not ethical.

LOL. What does that even mean?

 

[dfnj]

"More Americans are changing their views on pornography. A 2018 Gallup poll reported that 43 percent now believe that porn is 'morally acceptable'.
She said, "I'm not going to shame people when they already feel ashamed. People have viewed erotic imagery since we could scratch it on the inside of caves ... If we took shame out of the fact that people like to view erotic imagery, the compulsive behavior around consuming pornography would decrease."
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So, does she have a valid point or not?
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Cat videos are probably the only thing that comes close to competing with porn.

Porn on the Internet cannot be stopped. But it's not just porn. There's soft-porn on TV. There's unlimited amounts of sexually implicit content in commercials. It's endless. I'm not sure it can be suppressed. If you suppress something people are only going to do it more. There's not answer to stopping porn. There's 7 billion people on the planet for a reason.

The only answer for parents is to have difficult conversations with their children and teach them to have the utmost respect for other people. Especially teach the lesson "no" means "no". And always wear a condom if they have sex. It's funny how people who are anti-abortion change their tune when their teenage daughter gets pregnant. It's funny how the people who are incapable of talking candidly about sex the very ones most concerned about other people's morality with regards to subject. Or just generally, it's funny how the people most obsessed about morality turn out to be the ones having the most immoral behaviors.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yeah, because if porn doesn't celebrate sexual diversity, then it's clearly not ethical.

LOL. What does that even mean?

I'm sure there's further definition on it somewhere but I'm assuming it means that the same protections would go towards gay porn as straight porn.

 

[Cooky]

I'm sure there's further definition on it somewhere but I'm assuming it means that the same protections would go towards gay porn as straight porn.

Seems to me like what they're saying is that if you watch porn from a site that only provides straight porn, then that's a sin.

Apparently, the site must also produce gay porn to be considered an 'ethical' source.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Seems to me like what they're saying is that if you watch porn from a site that only provides straight porn, then that's a sin.

Apparently, the site must also produce gay porn to be considered an 'ethical' source.

I don't see that anywhere. For a long time women, gays, racial minorities and intersex got much, much more abuse by the porn industry (as they did in most industries) than the standard white heterosexual antics. Celebrating diversity means understanding that there's more than just your brand of white missionary (ha, pun), and protecting their interests within the context of safe, legal porn as anyone elses.

 

[Shiranui117]

I'm also quite sure there are porn videos where the actors are on drugs--AKA, not in their right minds and being taken advantage of (which I guess by definition is outright raped). I don't think anyone would say it's wrong to say that sex workers shouldn't be made to take drugs in the course of filming or photographing or arranging contracts/commissions.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm also quite sure there are porn videos where the actors are on drugs--AKA, not in their right minds and being taken advantage of (which I guess by definition is outright raped). I don't think anyone would say it's wrong to say that sex workers shouldn't be made to take drugs in the course of filming or photographing or arranging contracts/commissions.

I don't know about straight porn, but drugs are part of a lot of gay porn - from poppers to meth. Poppers aren't a big deal but there's a ton of amateur videos on PornHub where they're high on meth or shooting, smoking or snorting meth and all you have to do is search "meth" or "chem sex" to find those. It's rather depressing.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I'm an old fashioned feminist. Porn is demeaning to women. Not only does it make us into mere sex objects, but it presents unrealistic ideas of what women really look like.

 

[Shiranui117]

I'm an old fashioned feminist. Porn is demeaning to women. Not only does it make us into mere sex objects, but it presents unrealistic ideas of what women really look like.

I'd say it also does the same for men. It also presents unrealistic ideas of what sex in general is like.

 

[Skwim]

Cat videos are probably the only thing that comes close to competing with porn.

Porn on the Internet cannot be stopped. But it's not just porn. There's soft-porn on TV. There's unlimited amounts of sexually implicit content in commercials.

It also appears hard core is on TV, if one is willing to pay. As for "sexually implicit content in commercials." Not exactly sure what you're referring to, but there's has always been a sexual component to some advertising.

It's endless. I'm not sure it can be suppressed.

Let's hope not.

If you suppress something people are only going to do it more. There's not answer to stopping porn. There's 7 billion people on the planet for a reason.

And porn is responsible for all of them?

The only answer for parents is to have difficult conversations with their children and teach them to have the utmost respect for other people. Especially teach the lesson "no" means "no". And always wear a condom if they have sex.

Yeah. I know I always wear a condom when my kids have sex with someone.

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[Glaurung]

She said, "I'm not going to shame people when they already feel ashamed. People have viewed erotic imagery since we could scratch it on the inside of caves ... If we took shame out of the fact that people like to view erotic imagery, the compulsive behavior around consuming pornography would decrease."

Compulsion isn't driven by "shame" but by diminishing returns. Desensitization resulting from constant exposure to extremely explicit material.

And while erotic imagery isn't new, the ability to stream hardcore pornography is. The psychological effects of seeing a cave painting are not on remotely the same scale as the as constant viewing of high definition videos. So the whole argument is nonsense because it is an apples to glockenspiels comparison. The erotic imagery of the past is not the hardcore pornography of today.

So, does she have a valid point or not?

No. It's just a pathetic attempt to rationalize an acceptance of the degenerate sexual culture of the consumerist west. You cannot embrace the worst standards of the world and be a good Christian at the same time. Christ was quite clear about this. It's one or the other.

 

[Skwim]

I don't know about straight porn, but drugs are part of a lot of gay porn - from poppers to meth. Poppers aren't a big deal but there's a ton of amateur videos on PornHub where they're high on meth or shooting, smoking or snorting meth and all you have to do is search "meth" or "chem sex" to find those. It's rather depressing.

And you know all this because?

And why would you be searching Pornhub for "meth" and "chem sex"? Sounds a bit deviant if you ask me.

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[Skwim]

Compulsion isn't driven by "shame" but by diminishing returns. Desensitization resulting from constant exposure to extremely explicit material.

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe the shame she was referring to was that laid down by churches and their flocks.

And while erotic imagery isn't new, the ability to stream hardcore pornography is. The psychological effects of seeing a cave painting are not remotely on the same scale as the as constant viewing of high definition videos.

Perhaps not today because we're producing far better porno, but back in caveman days it may have been equally arousing. Who knows?

No. It's just a pathetic attempt to rationalize an acceptance of the degenerate sexual culture of the consumerist west.

Are you suggesting that pornography doesn't exist in other parts of the world, or that its acceptance there they doesn't constitute equally degenerate sexual culture?

You cannot embrace the worst standards of the world and be a good Christian at the same time. Christ was quite clear about this. It's one or the other.

Yeah decent standards like slavery. If only Christians were allowed to bring back slavery what a better world it would be.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And you know all this because?

And why would you be searching Pornhub for "meth" and "chem sex"? Sounds a bit deviant if you ask me.

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Lol, too funny coming from you. Very hypocritical, given your post history. How dare you act all judgemental. Don't you have another thread about ****ing dogs or siblings to make?

 

[Skwim]

Lol, too funny coming from you. Very hypocritical, given your post history.

Nah, this second-rate defense will cost you 10 yards. So no changing the subject again. Okay? Lets stick to the issue, you and your porn viewing habits, and see if you can answer the questions without trying to dodge them again. Ready? Here goes . . . .

1) And you know all this because?

2) And why would you be searching Pornhub for "meth" and "chem sex"? Sounds a bit deviant if you ask me.

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