Pastor Claims Porn Is OK, as Long as It's 'Ethically' Sourced

[BilliardsBall]

So? What's wrong with legal prostitution? Indeed, considering the primary reason for Biblical sexual prohibitions is the elimination of extramarital pregnancies, one could argue that porn would be Biblically acceptable prostitution. It all rather depends on your exegesical beliefs.

Certainly from a secular ethical standpoint, assuming the freely given consent of everyone involved, I can't see a problem with it. No one's forcing you to participate if you don't want, just leave those who do alone.

If no one is forcing me to participate, perhaps Congress will assign all porn to a .xxx domain that is more easily blocked, whether at work or among my children, porn "escapes".

 

[BilliardsBall]

Do you pay for porn?

Ciao

- viole

I was referring to the performers being paid for sex acts, aka prostitution, illegal in the US.

 

[Polymath257]

That's not how laws work. The people having sex on camera are at high risk for many things as well as acting illegally.

If diseases and coercion are eliminated, what is the issue? Burns on private parts by the lights?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Yet, that is one more than the number of biologists who refute evolution. So, since you guys like to quote one in millions, when it comes to biology, then why not?

Ciao

- viole

I beg your pardon, I think you are implying that 100% of Ph.D biologists believe that evolution can cause species to reproduce outside their own kind/family, and disagree with the Bible? No.

 

[viole]

I was referring to the performers being paid for sex acts, aka prostitution, illegal in the US.

OK. Is prostitution illegal there? I cannot imagine prostitution illegal in places like Las Vegas and such.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

I beg your pardon, I think you are implying that 100% of Ph.D biologists believe that evolution can cause species to reproduce outside their own kind/family, and disagree with the Bible? No.

I beg your pardon? Virtually all biologists accept common descent. You look surprised.

You seem to genuinely ignore what biologists accept and what not. No sane biologist believes today that life has been instantiated independently more than once on earth, no matter what an ancient book says. When did you take your latest biology class?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Brickjectivity]

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"More Americans are changing their views on pornography. A 2018 Gallup poll reported that 43 percent now believe that porn is 'morally acceptable'.

That's a 7 percent increase over 2017 and the highest level since Gallup began measuring moral perceptions of pornography in 2011. The liberal view of porn is also making inroads in the church.

Recently, Nadia Bolz-Weber, an Evangelical Lutheran Church pastor and founder of the House for All Saints and Sinners in Denver, told Out In Jersey about her thoughts on "ethical pornography."

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She said, "Now, there are issues of justice and exploitation within the porn industry, no question, but it doesn't mean consumption of pornography should be shamed. There is ethically sourced porn. There are people who say it's sexual immorality, but if you take liberals and conservatives who show outrage and made a Venn diagram of those who consume pornography, you'd see a huge overlap."

Ethical porn is considered to be pornography that is legally made, respects the performers' rights, uses good working conditions and celebrates sexual diversity and similar characteristics.

Bolz-Weber voiced concern that the church's stand against porn is based on shame.

She said, "I'm not going to shame people when they already feel ashamed. People have viewed erotic imagery since we could scratch it on the inside of caves ... If we took shame out of the fact that people like to view erotic imagery, the compulsive behavior around consuming pornography would decrease."
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So, does she have a valid point or not?

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Since porn is a waste of personal time it is not a spiritual thing in a Christian context. I think what she is trying to do is get people to be rational about it and stop spreading rumors about it. She says "I'm not going to shame people when they already feel ashamed," because while in a religious context porn is shameful it is not more evil than wasting hours watching television or overeating. Putting emphasis upon something often makes it more attractive. For a long time the rumor was spread that "One thing leads to another" which was always untrue. She is fighting that rumor.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If no one is forcing me to participate, perhaps Congress will assign all porn to a .xxx domain that is more easily blocked, whether at work or among my children, porn "escapes".

Pearl clutching aside, nah, not really. If you're seeing it, and certainly if you're seeing enough of it to be upset by it, it's because you're looking for it.

Hey, some people don't want to be forced to participate in religion, either. You think congress should mandate easily blockable domains for religious websites too?

 

[Milton Platt]

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"More Americans are changing their views on pornography. A 2018 Gallup poll reported that 43 percent now believe that porn is 'morally acceptable'.

That's a 7 percent increase over 2017 and the highest level since Gallup began measuring moral perceptions of pornography in 2011. The liberal view of porn is also making inroads in the church.

Recently, Nadia Bolz-Weber, an Evangelical Lutheran Church pastor and founder of the House for All Saints and Sinners in Denver, told Out In Jersey about her thoughts on "ethical pornography."

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She said, "Now, there are issues of justice and exploitation within the porn industry, no question, but it doesn't mean consumption of pornography should be shamed. There is ethically sourced porn. There are people who say it's sexual immorality, but if you take liberals and conservatives who show outrage and made a Venn diagram of those who consume pornography, you'd see a huge overlap."

Ethical porn is considered to be pornography that is legally made, respects the performers' rights, uses good working conditions and celebrates sexual diversity and similar characteristics.

Bolz-Weber voiced concern that the church's stand against porn is based on shame.

She said, "I'm not going to shame people when they already feel ashamed. People have viewed erotic imagery since we could scratch it on the inside of caves ... If we took shame out of the fact that people like to view erotic imagery, the compulsive behavior around consuming pornography would decrease."
source​

So, does she have a valid point or not?

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I’m starting to feel religious.....

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If no one is forcing me to participate, perhaps Congress will assign all porn to a .xxx domain that is more easily blocked, whether at work or among my children, porn "escapes".

There is no objective definition of porn so that is a horrible idea. There's videos of women stepping on grapes and other things on YouTube that are technically porno because it's catering to a sexual fetish (crush fetish). Porn isn't only the things you personally consider sexy.

 

[Skwim]

There is no objective definition of porn so that is a horrible idea. There's videos of women stepping on grapes and other things on YouTube that are technically porno because it's catering to a sexual fetish (crush fetish). Porn isn't only the things you personally consider sexy.

Yeah, but BB knows porn when he watches it.

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[BilliardsBall]

If diseases and coercion are eliminated, what is the issue? Burns on private parts by the lights?

Have you read online testimonies of porn performers, describing mob film control, drug addiction, coercion, underage sex, etc.?

 

[Polymath257]

Have you read online testimonies of porn performers, describing mob film control, drug addiction, coercion, underage sex, etc.?

Did you see where I mentioned coercion?

 

[BilliardsBall]

OK. Is prostitution illegal there? I cannot imagine prostitution illegal in places like Las Vegas and such.

Ciao

- viole

There is a small area in Nevada, outside Vegas. Elsewhere throughout the U.S., prostitution is illegal.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I beg your pardon? Virtually all biologists accept common descent. You look surprised.

You seem to genuinely ignore what biologists accept and what not. No sane biologist believes today that life has been instantiated independently more than once on earth, no matter what an ancient book says. When did you take your latest biology class?

Ciao

- viole

I didn't say, "common descent", but rather "...evolution can cause species to reproduce outside their own kind/family, and disagree with the Bible? No." meaning it takes more than one single generation. Evolutionists and Creationists agree here.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Pearl clutching aside, nah, not really. If you're seeing it, and certainly if you're seeing enough of it to be upset by it, it's because you're looking for it.

Hey, some people don't want to be forced to participate in religion, either. You think congress should mandate easily blockable domains for religious websites too?

Why not? Wouldn't it make atheists happy to not receive religious spam, for example? Of course, do you feel to see your perception problem? ...

It's okay for porn to be "out there" where children can see it, but not Christianity?

 

[BilliardsBall]

There is no objective definition of porn so that is a horrible idea. There's videos of women stepping on grapes and other things on YouTube that are technically porno because it's catering to a sexual fetish (crush fetish). Porn isn't only the things you personally consider sexy.

Let's create one, then. I bet you can think of one? Can we start with:

"Images of real persons/CGI persons having intercourse, oral sex or masturbating are inappropriate for children and are meant for private consumption by adults, so confine them to XXX sites only," and then we can worry about clothed persons grape stomping later, right?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Why not? Wouldn't it make atheists happy to not receive religious spam, for example? Of course, do you feel to see your perception problem? ...

It's okay for porn to be "out there" where children can see it, but not Christianity?

Who said it's not OK for Christianity to be "out there"? I'm attempting to show you your own double standard.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Did you see where I mentioned coercion?

Mob-controlled porn DOES NOT eliminate coercion. Poor runaways who grow up as prostitutes and addicts who then move into porn litter porn, just as much as self-willed "free" actors do porn.

If you saw ten men gang rape a girl in public, would you masturbate to it or stop the rape?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Who said it's not OK for Christianity to be "out there"? I'm attempting to show you your own double standard.

I'm okay with you saying I have a double standard, since apparently one of us only WANTS TO PROTECT CHILDREN.

I'm asking you to privately masturbate to porn on restricted domains only. Is that a big problem for you?