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Only Democrats want to stop war....as usual.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Daemon Sophic, Jun 20, 2019.

  1. Daemon Sophic

    Daemon Sophic Avatar in flux

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    House Democrats vote to repeal 2001 law used to authorize perpetual war

    So, here we are, 18 years after congress abdicated their responsibility to control whether or not our nation goes to war with another. They gave all the power to one human being: the president of the United States of America. Directly contradicting their constitutional duty.

    Now, the Democrats in the house have signed a bill (among many since 2018) that retracts/repeals that war authority from the POTUS, and puts the control back into the hands of the people’s representatives, as the US constitution demands.

    With Trump, Bolton, Pompeo, and of course McConnell in control of the US war machine, and rattling sabers at Iran, Venezuela, and others...... Do you think that McConnell will try to begin carrying out his duties as leader of the Senate, and let this bill (along with so many others) even come to the floor for discussion?

    How much you wanna bet?
     
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  2. Amanaki

    Amanaki Living in the moment

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    As a Non-American citizen, I hope America stop Trump and his crazy gang of hooligans.
     
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  3. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    They should have done this when Obama was President
     
  4. KAT-KAT

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    I don't want to think about the odds. BUT I support such a bill.
     
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  5. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    You would think.

    Still, I do have the kind of view that maybe we should just let countries fend for themselves, and just come to the aid of any of our allies should it ever be requested.
     
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  6. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    He wasted most of the 2 years he had solid support in the House instituting Republican Healthcare Reform. For the other 6 years, Capitol Hill was dominated by Republicans who's main goal was to obstruct.
    Tom
     
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  7. KenS

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    Did they want to do the same when Obama was president along with a Democratic Congress? If not, is this then just a political stunt because they know it won't pass?
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    The first 2 years of the Obama administration were dominated by repairing the damage done by the Bush administration, and getting Republican Healthcare Reform passed.
    After that, Capitol Hill was mostly about trashing the USA, so that the Republicans would have things to blame on Obama during the election.
    Tom
     
  9. KenS

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    soo... that was 6 years of trashing, correct? :D
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Yep.
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  11. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Congress should actually act as if it's a congress.
     
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  12. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    If you remember correctly, Obama wanted us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but when he pulled out of Iraq, and then when ISIS took over much of it and Syria, the Pubs essentially "crucified" him.

    However, what I did criticize Obama for, to the point of being quite angry with him, was his heavy use of drone kills that also killed many civilians.

    Anyhow, I do believe we've given the Executive Branch way too much leeway when it comes to "war". IMO, anything short of a nuclear attack should be referred to Congress to make the decision as to whether to attack a foreign power.
     
  13. Flame

    Flame Heretic Astartes

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    I'm of the same mindset. Let other countries deal with their issues and if aid is requested then send food/medical supplies/weapons.
     
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    You mean renege on our NATO obligations?
     
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    These are fine and all; although we could debate the value and feasibility of a laissez faire attitude in the face of international travel, communication, and economics another time.

    Right now, do you think it is right that any POTUS should have the singular capability of throwing our country into war, with whoever he or she deems intolerable, without congressional oversight?
    Yes or No?
    If “Yes”
    , then you support McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate and House (and the executive branch).
    If you say “No” (and thus you are agreeing with the US Constitution) then you are backing the Congressional Democrats. :)


    There is no third choice. :eek::(
     
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    The Senate still needs to sign off or the repeal dies. I expect it to die

    Too bad they didn't go after the War Powers Acts as well. It would do more to convince me this is just not partisan roadblocks. Of course the Dems are lapping it up due to omission.
     
  17. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Actually there is a third choice. I'm still for a president ordering troops for policing actions short of a full-blown War itself.
     
  18. KenS

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    Yes... I think things have gone too far.

    1) As you mentioned, Congress does not act like one. When and who actually gave us a balanced budget and for how long will Congress continue pork spending
    2) Executive orders are, IMV, a distorted loophole to Congress.
    3) Supreme court, in some cases, and the rest of the courts in general have become law makers instead of judging laws.

    Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous increase, the people rejoice, But when a wicked man rules, people groan.
     
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  19. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Ya, and I've been doing a lot of groaning over the last two years, especially with President Pants-On-Fire "running the country" as he recently bragged about. :(
     
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    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    You mean to write that the left and the right are basically the same on this matter - we trust our guy in the White House but not their guy?
     
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