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Featured ONCE AGAIN! Facts in the Bible is supported by archaeology.

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by KenS, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. KenS

    KenS Well-Known Member

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  2. Amanaki

    Amanaki The truth lay within you.

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    Even as a Buddhist i do not doubt that The story in bible are true. Actually the bible contain a lot of historical events that are discovered today and can then be scientific proven to be true.
     
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    I don't doubt that much in the Bible is factual. Or at least -- as the movies say -- "based on facts". I just wonder if some of the key claims are also factual. Such as the seemingly key claim that a god exists.
     
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  5. KenS

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    I supposed that at some point the "God exists" will be either found out to be true or not as will "Life began with no need of God".

    Some science is, at the least and as the movies say is -- "based of facts".
     
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    It doesn't need to "belong to Pilate" to be created in "memory of Pilate".
     
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    True but it makes the title of the video very misleading
     
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    I don't think theres many people who believe there is no contextual historical accuracy in the bible.
    But if, in a thousand years or so, the book "Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter" was unearthed and corroborated by evidence that Lincoln exists, that wouldn't mean there is sufficient evidence to believe a. There were vampires or b. He was a vampire hunter.
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I remember when the atheists were taunting us because no record could be found confirming Pontius Pilate as a Roman official in any capacity. Those crickets stopped chirping when an inscription with his name was found near the excavated governors mansion in Jerusalem.
     
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    May" is a very big and crucial word in archaeology, and certainly can't be taken as a definite affirmation as in "Facts in the Bible is supported by archaeology.


    "Experts in Israel have identified a ring that may have belonged to Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor who oversaw the trial and crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

    SCIENTISTS may have discovered the remains of Noah’s Ark in what could be the biggest Biblical archaeological discovery of all time.

    Archaeologists working at the site of an ancient church in Turkey believe they may have found a relic of the cross of Jesus.

    More than 25 years ago, archaeologists discovered a simple first-century A.D. home in Capernaum that may have been inhabited by Jesus during his Galilean ministry.

    Major biblical discovery: Archaeologists may have found the Prophet Isaiah's 'signature'

    In 2016, however, the purported tomb of Christ was opened for the first time in centuries as a part of restoring the Edicule. When samples of the actual burial bed and simple marble slab covering were dated, researchers got a surprise. The samples dated to A.D. 345, the same time as when Constantine first had the tomb of Christ officially recognized. As such, the Holy Sepulcher may well be the actual burial place of Christ.

    Discovery of Philistine Cemetery may Solve Biblical Mystery

    Archeologists have uncovered what may be the oldest Hebrew text, marking a possibly groundbreaking discovery for both Biblical and regional history.

    And why do they use the word "may"? because they're not sure. The leap of certainty you make simply isn't justified.

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    I don't doubt that SOME of what is recorded in the Bible is related to a real event. Some such as "red/reed" sea, appears to be plausible given how memories are not accurate. Some is symbolic, not factual. And so forth.

    There is a logical fallacy that says something like "if some stories are true then all stories are true".

    I don't accept that all of the stories are accurately recounted.
     
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    If you are able to access the source article it covers government use not memorabilia. There is a paywall.

    "A stamping ring of this type is also a hallmark to the status of the cavalry in Roman times, to which Pilate belonged. The ring is quite simple, therefore researchers believe it was used by the governor in day to day work, or belonged to one of his officials or someone in his court, who would use it to sign in his name."
     
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    How is this evidence of anything? The existence of a prefect by that name isn't in dispute.
    There's nothing tying the ring to Christianity, and little even tying it to Pontius Pilate. Your link itself says it's unlikely the ring belonged to the Pontius Pilate.
    What unknown facts or facts in dispute does this find clear up?

    Questions:
    How was the ring dated?
    How many people named Pilate were in the area at the time?
     
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    Oh, but it was in dispute once. In fact, Christians were told it was a total made up name, since no record of a prefect of that name could be found in Roman documentation of the time. This has happened a number of times, he Bible has been said to be in error, and archaeology or some other discipline proves it true.
     
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  16. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...

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    Do you have any idea how many "facts" in the vast majority of fictional works are actually verifiable? And do you suppose, therefore, that the fiction surrounding those facts must therefore also be true?

    Writers, of all sorts, not just historians, use what they know to provide the background against which they tell their stories. The fact is, it is well attested that Pilate existed. The evidence that he presided at the trial and condemned Jesus is scantier, but even if evidence is found for that, do you actually think that it verifies in any way the supposed divinity of Jesus, his resurrection, or any of the rest of the foundational Christian notions?

    In short: Pilate existed, somebody found a ring that MIGHT have belonged to Pilate, therefore Pilate executed Jesus and Jesus became God. There are, for me, just a couple of teeny gaps in the logical sequence...o_O
     
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    Even the most skeptical of critics of the Bible acknowledge that the Bible is set in history and contains historical people and facts.
     
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    Then again, does that mean George Washington didn't exist?
     
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    A lack of corroborating historical evidence for something mentioned in the Bible doesn't necessarily translate to the Bible being in error. No serious scholar or historian would make such an assertion.
    There's a big difference between a manuscript mentioning a well known fact and the veracity of the rest of the document.
    Most fictional books contain many facts.
     
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    Yes... :) And then there was a time when they said King David never existed. :)
     
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