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Oklahoma Lawmaker Wants to Push Christian Revisionist History in Public Schools

Skwim

Veteran Member
Christian Fundamentalists aren't pointing any loaded guns towards somebody's head in order to force their version of Christianity to be followed. ....:rolleyes:
No they're not, but so what? Do you honestly think that this is the only way they operate? Of course not. They do everything they can to inculcate their religious beliefs into our pluralistic society; from trying to infest our public schools with their religion to making sure we can't pick up a piece of currency without seeing mention of their god on it---and, yes, it is their god, the god of Abraham, and not Allah, Krishna, or Akal Purakh. So the fundamentalists have a lot to be ashamed of, but, of course, to them all's fair in love and the promotion of their belief, which makes it just fine. IMO, fundamentalists have little to be admired for and a lot to be despised for.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I wonder if the lawmaker would want Christian support for slavery taught.
And the role of non-believers & deists in the founding of the country..
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
There is a reason my family was "FROM" there and a better reason that I was never "From" there. I lived for one year in Lawton, OK and found most of the people sweet but easily led. The summers had violent Weather that would make believer out of almost anyone. The winter wind was like freight train. Far too much for me.

I graduated from Oklahoma State University in 1970 in a gently time of politics. Oklahoma was still in La La land of mediocraty of Ozzie and Harriet. Since they have gone right big time. Yes, the people were sweet, . . . sort of.

Yes there was nothing but barbed wire between Canada and Oklahoma in the winter, and the summers are well Oklahoma
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
I graduated from Oklahoma State University in 1970 in a gently time of politics. Oklahoma was still in La La land of mediocraty of Ozzie and Harriet. Since they have gone right big time. Yes, the people were sweet, . . . sort of.

Yes there was nothing but barbed wire between Canada and Oklahoma in the winter, and the summers are well Oklahoma

I was in Oklahoma 68-69 and graduated from the Army. 1970 was my Freshman year in College in O Re Gon.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
The left alway pushes revisionist American History in publics schools. Obama went on the apology tour blaming the USA for all the troubles of the world, while ignoring the impact of dictators ad socialist atrocities. This was consistent with left wing education.

The left is very insecure, since their propaganda is metastable, and will not take much to knock over, if the students start to discuss alternate ideas. Currently, the left has a monopoly when it comes to forced indoctrination via testing where students have to repeat the lie to get a good test score. They fear others will use testing to force a competing indoctrination.

The main cause of revisionist history, in public schools, is due to the left based educational system, trying to throw all demographics a bone, in terms of teaching history; added more in terms of the role of women and minorities to the lessons. Since the time for teaching is limited, this often misrepresents history, in terms of the impact of the major things, needed to get a proper vision of the overall past.

As a loose example, say a new club is formed. This club was conceived and forms due to the efforts of two members, who were the funding parents. It now has hundred of members. In an attempt to make it "fair", the left will try to add the contributions of anyone, with an alternate demographic; their voter base. Since there is only an hour to teach this history lesson, this added data alters the historical perception, since it does not do justice to the biggest contributions of the two founders, in short time available. History is distorted and revised based on political priority, under the guise of fairness.

The left teaches America from the eyes of the contemporary PC standards, instead of maintaining history in the context of its own time, where people have limited understanding of future times, just as we do. Make America Great does not resonate with those who have learned revisionist history.

The way I look at Creation, is this is connected to the evolution of the human mind. It is not about biology, which is a revisionist history trick to sabotage it. The timing of Genesis; science based carbon dating, coincides with the formation of the first stable civilizations.

Civilization was not based on instinct and DNA. There is no civilization gene. It was based on a profound change in the human mind. Civilization was contradictory to eons of natural evolution based on humans who were wanderers, hunters and gatherers. Staying in one place, to form civilization, while expanding population was not natural. These first civilization humans needed a new mind set, that could willfully chose to ignore eons of instincts and fight the urge to wander.

This was the divine spark that the mythology of Creation teaches. DNA tells us nothing of this psychology change. DNA is only good for superficial things like hair or skin color. Fossils can tell us about their possessions, skills and things, but It cannot tell us what was inside their minds. There is a tendency for science to use revisionist history, to infer the mind set of the past, by the present. The bible, on he other hand, is a record of the mind from that time. It is more like a raw data set of mind data, in terms of what the first "new" people believed. It is part of real history.
Kooky babble.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Christian Fundamentalists aren't pointing any loaded guns towards somebody's head in order to force their version of Christianity to be followed. ....:rolleyes:
Their meddling in government threatens our rights, freedoms, equality and the quality of our children's education. If they could they would force their beliefs upon the people via theocracy.

You play dumb because you got your tongue caught in Trump's boot treads.
 

Dell

Asteroid insurance?
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"Christian nationalists are always looking for ways to use our public schools to promote their warped, revisionist version of U.S. history. Myths like Christianity and the Bible playing a central role at the Constitutional Convention (nope, and it didn’t include a formal prayer either), like George Washington praying in the snow at Valley Forge (he didn’t), or the Ten Commandments forming the basis of our laws (not even close).

Oklahoma State Senator David Bullard (below) is wading into those dissembling waters with a new bill, SB 572, which encourages history teachers to “discuss the role of religion, including but not limited to Christianity and the Bible, while discussing the foundational documents and principles of the United States.” Bullard especially wants direct quotes from the founding fathers, including “Noah Webster, Joseph Story and John Adams.”

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We all know where this is going.

Bullard is seeking to use the machinery of the state to promote Christian nationalism and its bad history. He wants public school history classes in Oklahoma to be live versions of Hobby Lobby’s wildly misleading July 4 ads.

The bill is flawed from the start, if only because it fails to understand that most scholars do not consider Webster and Story to be “Founding Fathers” — they weren’t part of the Continental Congresses or Constitutional Convention, and Webster never held a national office. Story was born three years after the colonies declared independence and was only ten years old when the Constitution was written.
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What is it about these Christians who have this burning need to shove their religion in everyone's face, be it by lies or whatever means?

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Hmm..., truly religion has its place in history and should be taught by the perspective of a historian not a preacher. The Bible has hardly no validated historical accuracy and about the only thing that can be taught of the Bible is its evolution from tablet to book, dates and authors. Same goes for origins of major religions and their impact on civilizations through history. A TRUE historical study would totally view religions for how and why they formed and what they are today compared to science. It actually might enlighten the minds of the young. I wish that history had been taught in my high school growing up. This is not the perspective the religious right wants of course.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Hmm..., truly religion has its place in history and should be taught by the perspective of a historian not a preacher. The Bible has hardly no validated historical accuracy and about the only thing that can be taught of the Bible is its evolution from tablet to book, dates and authors. Same goes for origins of major religions and their impact on civilizations through history. A TRUE historical study would totally view religions for how and why they formed and what they are today compared to science. It actually might enlighten the minds of the young. I wish that history had been taught in my high school growing up. This is not the perspective the religious right wants of course.


Agreed. And I am surprised at your charitable views about fanatic Christians. Ideally, believers should read and study for themselves and not rely on professional Pastors who run off into excessivism. I'm not sure who to blame here.
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Insecurity. It is a sign of weak faith, just like creationism is. Either the teachings of the Bible are true regardless of history or they are not. Relying on history tells us he can't quite believe by himself.

:facepalm:

Do you realize history has already been revised?

That the history taught in public schools is not the same as is taught 50 years ago?

That there are active attempts to misinform the average schoolkid, like telling them that the Democratic party is the party of freedom because of all the trendy civil rights programs they push? Well, guess what? I've been one of those groups (LGBT) and special privileges do very little to make one actually achieve lasting change and quite a bit to try to factionalize people and make them angry. LGBT, black, and female are the top groups on welfare. Meanwhile, Asians who largely follow the conservative model, having been from socialist countries, are usually employed, and making more even than whites. So, tell me again who these slaveowners are? Because it seems like it has always been Democrats.

The Secret Racist History of the Democratic Party

I honestly have no idea what this is being taught, but I'm not convinced that some Christian theory of history can be any worse than the history already taught.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
:facepalm:

Do you realize history has already been revised?

That the history taught in public schools is not the same as is taught 50 years ago?

That there are active attempts to misinform the average schoolkid, like telling them that the Democratic party is the party of freedom because of all the trendy civil rights programs they push? Well, guess what? I've been one of those groups (LGBT) and special privileges do very little to make one actually achieve lasting change and quite a bit to try to factionalize people and make them angry. LGBT, black, and female are the top groups on welfare. Meanwhile, Asians who largely follow the conservative model, having been from socialist countries, are usually employed, and making more even than whites. So, tell me again who these slaveowners are? Because it seems like it has always been Democrats.

The Secret Racist History of the Democratic Party

I honestly have no idea what this is being taught, but I'm not convinced that some Christian theory of history can be any worse than the history already taught.
You need some work on your use of the facepalm smiley. And laying off the right wing Kool-Aid would not be a bad idea either.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Usual Suspects: Democrats were the slave owners who fought to keep blaxk people down and Republicans freed the slaves and fought for civil rights!

Reasonable moderates: so you won't mind if we take down these Confederate statues then?

Usual Suspects:
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Christianity and humanism were driving forces in the Creation of the United States. Yes the Humanism of Jefferson and others did change things. Advocacy of Theocracy and theodicy were alive and well in the colonies. Humanism tempered this with the beginning of the concept of the separation of church and state.
I disagree... the very purpose of the United States was "freedom of religion" as they ran away from a forced Theocracy,.

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The Christian influence is including and among Black people.

It again made the history more complete.

It added to the a more complete history, and the fact that the tragedy of Black history in the USA was greatly watered down before 1960.
This is true. It is the watering down of the Christian influence and its drive in the forming of the Constitution that I am talking about,
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Their meddling in government threatens our rights, freedoms, equality and the quality of our children's education. If they could they would force their beliefs upon the people via theocracy.

You play dumb because you got your tongue caught in Trump's boot treads.
Given that particular poster's recent advocacy of violence towards children to coerce displays of rote patriotism, I suspect you are correct.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
No they're not, but so what? Do you honestly think that this is the only way they operate? Of course not. They do everything they can to inculcate their religious beliefs into our pluralistic society; from trying to infest our public schools with their religion to making sure we can't pick up a piece of currency without seeing mention of their god on it---and, yes, it is their god, the god of Abraham, and not Allah, Krishna, or Akal Purakh. So the fundamentalists have a lot to be ashamed of, but, of course, to them all's fair in love and the promotion of their belief, which makes it just fine. IMO, fundamentalists have little to be admired for and a lot to be despised for.
Or proud... depends on whose perspective.

Certainly no one is forcing you to agree.

But notice how you are also trying to revise history and yet the currency is a blatant reality that you are wrong.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I disagree... the very purpose of the United States was "freedom of religion" as they ran away from a forced Theocracy,.

This is the problem. Your unquestioning acceptance of your country's founding myths make it hard for you to distinguish between actual history and some evil librul conspiracy to brainwash children.

That ridiculous codswallop about "the Pilgrims" has done your country nothing but a disservice. A. They weren't the first settlers, B. Half the people on the boat weren't "fleeing religious persecution" any way, and C. A bunch of pre-union colonies did indeed have state religions. "Freedom of Religion" was a minor facet of how your country came to be, and you people insist on blowing it all out of proportion.

Wow. If some non Australian knew so much more about my country's founding than me, I'D have the good grace to be embarrassed. So now let's watch...
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
"In the formative days of the Republic, the directing influence the Bible exercised upon the fathers of the Nation is conspicuously evident... ...We cannot read the history of our rise and development as a Nation without reckoning with the place that the Bible has occupied ini shaping the advances of the Republic..."

Roosevelt, Franklin D. (1938). “Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: F.D. Roosevelt, 1935, Volume 4”, p.419, Best Books on
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Or proud... depends on whose perspective.

Certainly no one is forcing you to agree.

But notice how you are also trying to revise history and yet the currency is a blatant reality that you are wrong.
No it's not. When do you think "in God we trust" started being put on your currency?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
This is the problem. Your unquestioning acceptance of your countries founding myths make it hard for you to distinguish between actual history and some evil librul conspiracy to brainwash children.

That ridiculous codswallop about "the Pilgrims" has done your country nothing but a disservice. A. They weren't the first settlers, B. Half the people on the boat weren't "fleeing religious persecution" any way, and C. A bunch of pre-union colonies did indeed have state religions. "Freedom of Religion" was a minor facet of how your country came to be, and you people insist on blowing it all out of proportion.

Wow. If some non Australian knew so much more about my country's founding than me, I'D have the good grace to be embarrassed. So now let's watch...

Revisionist thinking:

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