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Oklahoma Lawmaker Wants to Push Christian Revisionist History in Public Schools

Skwim

Veteran Member
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"Christian nationalists are always looking for ways to use our public schools to promote their warped, revisionist version of U.S. history. Myths like Christianity and the Bible playing a central role at the Constitutional Convention (nope, and it didn’t include a formal prayer either), like George Washington praying in the snow at Valley Forge (he didn’t), or the Ten Commandments forming the basis of our laws (not even close).

Oklahoma State Senator David Bullard (below) is wading into those dissembling waters with a new bill, SB 572, which encourages history teachers to “discuss the role of religion, including but not limited to Christianity and the Bible, while discussing the foundational documents and principles of the United States.” Bullard especially wants direct quotes from the founding fathers, including “Noah Webster, Joseph Story and John Adams.”

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We all know where this is going.

Bullard is seeking to use the machinery of the state to promote Christian nationalism and its bad history. He wants public school history classes in Oklahoma to be live versions of Hobby Lobby’s wildly misleading July 4 ads.

The bill is flawed from the start, if only because it fails to understand that most scholars do not consider Webster and Story to be “Founding Fathers” — they weren’t part of the Continental Congresses or Constitutional Convention, and Webster never held a national office. Story was born three years after the colonies declared independence and was only ten years old when the Constitution was written.
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What is it about these Christians who have this burning need to shove their religion in everyone's face, be it by lies or whatever means?

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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
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"Christian nationalists are always looking for ways to use our public schools to promote their warped, revisionist version of U.S. history. Myths like Christianity and the Bible playing a central role at the Constitutional Convention (nope, and it didn’t include a formal prayer either), like George Washington praying in the snow at Valley Forge (he didn’t), or the Ten Commandments forming the basis of our laws (not even close).

Oklahoma State Senator David Bullard (below) is wading into those dissembling waters with a new bill, SB 572, which encourages history teachers to “discuss the role of religion, including but not limited to Christianity and the Bible, while discussing the foundational documents and principles of the United States.” Bullard especially wants direct quotes from the founding fathers, including “Noah Webster, Joseph Story and John Adams.”

safe_image.php
We all know where this is going.

Bullard is seeking to use the machinery of the state to promote Christian nationalism and its bad history. He wants public school history classes in Oklahoma to be live versions of Hobby Lobby’s wildly misleading July 4 ads.

The bill is flawed from the start, if only because it fails to understand that most scholars do not consider Webster and Story to be “Founding Fathers” — they weren’t part of the Continental Congresses or Constitutional Convention, and Webster never held a national office. Story was born three years after the colonies declared independence and was only ten years old when the Constitution was written.
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What is it about these Christians who have this burning need to shove their religion in everyone's face, be it by lies or whatever means?

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Insecurity. It is a sign of weak faith, just like creationism is. Either the teachings of the Bible are true regardless of history or they are not. Relying on history tells us he can't quite believe by himself.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
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"Christian nationalists are always looking for ways to use our public schools to promote their warped, revisionist version of U.S. history. Myths like Christianity and the Bible playing a central role at the Constitutional Convention (nope, and it didn’t include a formal prayer either), like George Washington praying in the snow at Valley Forge (he didn’t), or the Ten Commandments forming the basis of our laws (not even close).

Oklahoma State Senator David Bullard (below) is wading into those dissembling waters with a new bill, SB 572, which encourages history teachers to “discuss the role of religion, including but not limited to Christianity and the Bible, while discussing the foundational documents and principles of the United States.” Bullard especially wants direct quotes from the founding fathers, including “Noah Webster, Joseph Story and John Adams.”

safe_image.php
We all know where this is going.

Bullard is seeking to use the machinery of the state to promote Christian nationalism and its bad history. He wants public school history classes in Oklahoma to be live versions of Hobby Lobby’s wildly misleading July 4 ads.

The bill is flawed from the start, if only because it fails to understand that most scholars do not consider Webster and Story to be “Founding Fathers” — they weren’t part of the Continental Congresses or Constitutional Convention, and Webster never held a national office. Story was born three years after the colonies declared independence and was only ten years old when the Constitution was written.
source and more
What is it about these Christians who have this burning need to shove their religion in everyone's face, be it by lies or whatever means?

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Um, well it is the Bible Belt you know. I'd just smile and go back to doing the dishes.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
"Christian nationalists are always looking for ways to use our public schools to promote their warped, revisionist version of U.S. history. Myths like Christianity and the Bible playing a central role at the Constitutional Convention (nope, and it didn’t include a formal prayer either), like George Washington praying in the snow at Valley Forge (he didn’t), or the Ten Commandments forming the basis of our laws (not even close).

This is the epitome of revisionist thinking :) Why are you thinking this way?
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
The Evangelicals are keeping their political promises, to turn the Supreme Court back forty years. Their well on their way. We should have listened when we were warned that the election of Trump would have consequences.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The left alway pushes revisionist American History in publics schools. Obama went on the apology tour blaming the USA for all the troubles of the world, while ignoring the impact of dictators ad socialist atrocities. This was consistent with left wing education.

The left is very insecure, since their propaganda is metastable, and will not take much to knock over, if the students start to discuss alternate ideas. Currently, the left has a monopoly when it comes to forced indoctrination via testing where students have to repeat the lie to get a good test score. They fear others will use testing to force a competing indoctrination.

The main cause of revisionist history, in public schools, is due to the left based educational system, trying to throw all demographics a bone, in terms of teaching history; added more in terms of the role of women and minorities to the lessons. Since the time for teaching is limited, this often misrepresents history, in terms of the impact of the major things, needed to get a proper vision of the overall past.

As a loose example, say a new club is formed. This club was conceived and forms due to the efforts of two members, who were the funding parents. It now has hundred of members. In an attempt to make it "fair", the left will try to add the contributions of anyone, with an alternate demographic; their voter base. Since there is only an hour to teach this history lesson, this added data alters the historical perception, since it does not do justice to the biggest contributions of the two founders, in short time available. History is distorted and revised based on political priority, under the guise of fairness.

The left teaches America from the eyes of the contemporary PC standards, instead of maintaining history in the context of its own time, where people have limited understanding of future times, just as we do. Make America Great does not resonate with those who have learned revisionist history.

The way I look at Creation, is this is connected to the evolution of the human mind. It is not about biology, which is a revisionist history trick to sabotage it. The timing of Genesis; science based carbon dating, coincides with the formation of the first stable civilizations.

Civilization was not based on instinct and DNA. There is no civilization gene. It was based on a profound change in the human mind. Civilization was contradictory to eons of natural evolution based on humans who were wanderers, hunters and gatherers. Staying in one place, to form civilization, while expanding population was not natural. These first civilization humans needed a new mind set, that could willfully chose to ignore eons of instincts and fight the urge to wander.

This was the divine spark that the mythology of Creation teaches. DNA tells us nothing of this psychology change. DNA is only good for superficial things like hair or skin color. Fossils can tell us about their possessions, skills and things, but It cannot tell us what was inside their minds. There is a tendency for science to use revisionist history, to infer the mind set of the past, by the present. The bible, on he other hand, is a record of the mind from that time. It is more like a raw data set of mind data, in terms of what the first "new" people believed. It is part of real history.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
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"Christian nationalists are always looking for ways to use our public schools to promote their warped, revisionist version of U.S. history. Myths like Christianity and the Bible playing a central role at the Constitutional Convention (nope, and it didn’t include a formal prayer either), like George Washington praying in the snow at Valley Forge (he didn’t), or the Ten Commandments forming the basis of our laws (not even close).

Oklahoma State Senator David Bullard (below) is wading into those dissembling waters with a new bill, SB 572, which encourages history teachers to “discuss the role of religion, including but not limited to Christianity and the Bible, while discussing the foundational documents and principles of the United States.” Bullard especially wants direct quotes from the founding fathers, including “Noah Webster, Joseph Story and John Adams.”

safe_image.php
We all know where this is going.

Bullard is seeking to use the machinery of the state to promote Christian nationalism and its bad history. He wants public school history classes in Oklahoma to be live versions of Hobby Lobby’s wildly misleading July 4 ads.

The bill is flawed from the start, if only because it fails to understand that most scholars do not consider Webster and Story to be “Founding Fathers” — they weren’t part of the Continental Congresses or Constitutional Convention, and Webster never held a national office. Story was born three years after the colonies declared independence and was only ten years old when the Constitution was written.
source and more
What is it about these Christians who have this burning need to shove their religion in everyone's face, be it by lies or whatever means?

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Christian Fundamentalists aren't pointing any loaded guns towards somebody's head in order to force their version of Christianity to be followed. ....:rolleyes:
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
This is the epitome of revisionist thinking :) Why are you thinking this way?

Complete less biased history and science is the goal of education, and across the nation in recent history revisionist evangelical history and creationist science has been the agenda.

I notice he did not include Thomas Jefferson.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Complete less biased history and science is the goal of education, and across the nation in recent history revisionist evangelical history and creationist science has been the agenda.

I notice he did not include Thomas Jefferson.
Actually, since about 1960, education has tried to revision US History... It has become bias... and we aren't talking about science :) don't move the goal post. :)
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Actually, since about 1960, education has tried to revision US History... It has become bias... and we aren't talking about science :) don't move the goal post. :)

For fundamentalist Christianity they are hand in hand, because it includes the attempt of revisionist efforts to edit science books in high school and grade school. I believe that education before 1960 was indeed heavily biased in schools, and for example did not include important black figures in history, and did not include the Deist and humanist views of Thomas Jefferson until college.
 
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
For fundamentalist Christianity they are hand in hand, because it includes the attempt of revisionist efforts to edit scince books in high school and grade school. I believe that education before 1960 was indeed heavily biased in schools, and for example did not include important black figures in history, and did not include the Deist and humanist views of Thomas Jefferson until college.

It looks like you support the revisionist positions. Did the humanist views of Jefferson change the fact that Christianity was a driving force an part of the creation of these United States?

And, did adding the important black figures in history change or actually add to the fact the there was a strong Christian influence among the black people?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
The Evangelicals are keeping their political promises, to turn the Supreme Court back forty years. Their well on their way. We should have listened when we were warned that the election of Trump would have consequences.
Or getting it back into line after 4o years :D
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
It looks like you support the revisionist positions. Did the humanist views of Jefferson change the fact that Christianity was a driving force an part of the creation of these United States?

Christianity and humanism were driving forces in the Creation of the United States. Yes the Humanism of Jefferson and others did change things. Advocacy of Theocracy and theodicy were alive and well in the colonies. Humanism tempered this with the beginning of the concept of the separation of church and state.

And, did adding the important black figures in history change or actually add to the fact the there was a strong Christian influence among the black people?

The Christian influence is including and among Black people.

It again made the history more complete.

It added to the a more complete history, and the fact that the tragedy of Black history in the USA was greatly watered down before 1960.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It looks like you support the revisionist positions. Did the humanist views of Jefferson change the fact that Christianity was a driving force an part of the creation of these United States?

And, did adding the important black figures in history change or actually add to the fact the there was a strong Christian influence among the black people?
What was revised? What were they teaching in schools that was not factual? Meanwhile the man in the OP wants non-facts to be taught to children.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
So permit yokels to undermine the constitution in yokel dense areas?
There is a reason my family was "FROM" there and a better reason that I was never "From" there. I lived for one year in Lawton, OK and found most of the people sweet but easily led. The summers had violent Weather that would make believer out of almost anyone. The winter wind was like freight train. Far too much for me.
 
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