Not Mature

[The Hammer]

yeah, I would also rather not exist, life is so tough

I have no suicidal ideation. Life is as tough as we make it.

Let me know if you need to talk.

 

[Valjean]

paradox said: ↑
of course, but you do care now, that's the point.
just because fetus or born baby doesn't have an IQ of 90 doesn't mean it wouldn't care to exist or not.

Until it develops self-consciousness and a concept of futurity, no opinions regarding these are possible.

Does your non-existent brother John regret the fact that he was never born?
Your attributing desire to the non-existent; to the potential.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Florida court rules teenager ‘not mature enough’ to have abortion

So this girl is not mature enough to make the decision have an abortion, but is absolutely mature enough to raise a child? ****ing what?

I can't figure out Florida anymore. It's the most screwed up, bizzare, wacked out state in American history.

They make the twilight zone and the outer limits normal in comparison.

 

[questfortruth]

Florida court rules teenager ‘not mature enough’ to have abortion

So this girl is not mature enough to make the decision have an abortion, but is absolutely mature enough to raise a child? ****ing what?

God is not dead. God has intervened.

 

[Valjean]

God is not dead. God has intervened.

Why did he allow the pregnancy in the first place, then?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

She could have as well take a pill to prevent conception, was she not mature enough to make that decision?

And if she was not mature enough to make that decision, what makes you think she's mature enough -- without a job, without income, without parental support -- to bring up this child?

Or maybe, like so many Republicans you don't care about the child once it's born, only that it gets born. Starving to death is so much better than being aborted before you're even conscious of it, right?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

God is not dead. God has intervened.

Why did he allow the pregnancy in the first place, then?

He was busy hiding another fossil to fool people into thinking evolution is a thing...

 

[paradox]

And if she was not mature enough to make that decision, what makes you think she's mature enough -- without a job, without income, without parental support -- to bring up this child?

I think parents of her and her boy should take care.
finding a job is not really an issue, young people find it much sooner than older people.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I think parents of her and her boy should take care.
finding a job is not really an issue, young people find it much sooner than older people.

You may have missed it, though I said it: she is parentless. And you may not be aware, but very often young males, once they get what they want, don't always stick around waiting to find out if they are about to be fathers. Mine didn't, not for me, nor his second son, born exactly 6 months after me. He did, however, marry the girl who was pregnant by him only 3 months after his second son was born.

 

[paradox]

You may have missed it, though I said it: she is parentless.

Maybe you misread the article, but she has a guardian, probably because her father is not fit to care for her.

And you may not be aware, but very often young males, once they get what they want, don't always stick around waiting to find out if they are about to be fathers.

Therefore he should pay alimony, nobody can force him to be father.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Maybe you misread the article, but she has a guardian, probably because her father is not fit to care for her.


Therefore he should pay alimony, nobody can force him to be father.

You know, your pious "shoulds" are of little use in the real world.

Do you know what people dislike more than pride? People who think they know what everybody else should do. We all hate that.

 

[Heyo]

Therefore he should pay alimony, nobody can force him to be father.

Yeah, but a judge can force a girl to become mother. Hey, wouldn't it be better if the judge should pay the alimony?

 

[paradox]

Yeah, but a judge can force a girl to become mother. Hey, wouldn't it be better if the judge should pay the alimony?

Judge didn't force her to go to bed, he prevented murder of helpless and innocent human being.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Judge didn't force her to go to bed, he prevented murder of helpless and innocent human being.

Can I ask you something, since this is overall, supposed to be a religious forum. Is there some aspect of your religious sense that is informing or instructing you to seem to like the judge's ruling, or do you seem to like it out of more of a materialist respect for the legalism of it

 

[paradox]

Can I ask you something, since this is overall, supposed to be a religious forum. Is there some aspect of your religious sense that is informing or instructing you to seem to like the judge's ruling, or do you seem to like it out of more of a materialist respect for the legalism of it

Yes there is past religious aspect but now I more look at it through "morally correct" prism.
Also I see legal system (laws) to lack in morality here and there.
By "morality" I do not mean church dogma but rather ethics, church dogma just happens to be in line with ethics.
Ethics - Wikipedia

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Yes there is past religious aspect but now I more look at it through "morally correct" prism.
Also I see legal system (laws) to lack in morality here and there.
By "morality" I do not mean church dogma but rather ethics, church dogma just happens to be in line with ethics.
Ethics - Wikipedia

So not legalism, and not the church, but 'ethics.' Which philosopher do you like? If you scroll through the page on ethics on wikipedia, you will see a number of philosophers, each probably having different views. They would all argue with each other, if in the same room

 

[paradox]

So not legalism, and not the church, but 'ethics.' Which philosopher do you like? If you scroll through the page on ethics on wikipedia, you will see a number of philosophers, each probably having different views. They would all argue with each other, if in the same room

I'm aware that morality is very vague in philosophy and I don't have my favorite among thinkers, so if I go pick one it would artificial.

I prefer the method of choosing the lesser evil because it's very straightforward and clear:
evil 1: abortion - ending life of helpless and innocent human being
evil 2: right of choice - not respecting choice of women

which evil is lesser?
ending life or not respecting choice, it's pretty simple to to draw conclusion.

 

[Valjean]

This is not your honest opinion.

Do you think that, or feel it? Why?

 

[Valjean]

I'm aware that morality is very vague in philosophy and I don't have my favorite among thinkers, so if I go pick one it would artificial.

I prefer the method of choosing the lesser evil because it's very straightforward and clear:
evil 1: abortion - ending life of helpless and innocent human being
evil 2: right of choice - not respecting choice of women

which evil is lesser?
ending life or not respecting choice, it's pretty simple to to draw conclusion.

What makes it wrong to end a life? Is it life itself, helplessness, innocence, or something else?

 

[SkepticThinker]

maybe, that's why they have us to take care of them, especially mother should take care of their child, that's how nature works.

have you ever seen mother bird when somebody attempts to steal an egg?

You didn't address the point at all.