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Discussion in 'Religious News' started by danieldemol, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Road Less Traveled

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    I ask because one who believes in reincarnation and karma, karmic debts/balances... would have to accept that that god or that buddah has to design the bad guys and their bad guy roles to get justice and make others with karmic debts suffer consequences.
     
  2. HonestJoe

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    You said people like him and he probably thought the people he was killing were "dangerous monsters" (or being raised to be).

    I'm not making a serious equivalence and was being deliberately provocative to hopefully make people think twice. Talking about killing people just because you don't like the idea of them existing, however justified the individual example might be, strikes me as a dangerous precedent.
     
  3. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Pyrphóros ⚡ Lux Aeterna
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    It has nothing to do with "not liking the idea of them existing" as if it's some abstract ideological issue directed to an arbitrary group of people. It's about delivering justice for crimes. There is no point in keeping him locked up as he basically cannot be rehabilitated and won't feel remorse because he's not able to. He knew what he was doing, he was not having a psychotic break. He also enjoys the attention. So executing him really would be the more humane thing to do, as well as giving him his just desserts.
     
  4. We Never Know

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    And that's great. Guns don't kill, people kill.
     
  5. Epic Beard Man

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    Of course I know that
     
  6. Amanaki

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    No, The man decided that he hated her and shot her, that as a man-made decision.
     
  7. Amanaki

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    Bad people have bad morality and that leads to evil deeds,
     
  8. Ponder This

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    If imprisonment is worse than death ("more of a punishment") and killing results in Karmic soul destruction after death...

    Are you not concerned about enduring a Karmic punishment worse than the destruction of your soul after you die (in the case that you cause someone to be imprisoned during this life rather than slain)?
     
  9. lewisnotmiller

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    If you kill someone, you're a killer. If you drink drive and hit someone you might be a killer but not a murderer (dependant on laws) but you are a killer.
     
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  10. Amanaki

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    No, i do not fear death
     
  11. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    Yes when you brake the law, you are
     
  12. lewisnotmiller

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    Being a killer isn't about the law. Being murderer...or being guilt of manslaughter...is.
     
  13. Road Less Traveled

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    In a believed system of karma and reincarnation, how can one be sure who is innocent, who is guilty, what are ‘manmade decisions’ vs. what are ‘universal karmic decisions’ working through people?

    I personally don’t know the guy, or what went down so I won’t personally pass judgement if I’m not 100% certain.
     
  14. Shad

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    It is called evidence. I know this is foreign idea to the religious.

    This is nonsense and a horrible standard. 100% certainty is next to impossible.
     
  15. Road Less Traveled

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    I’m asking another who believes in reincarnation and karma.

    Why would it be a horrible standard to not judge someone or something I do not know without 100% of certainty?
     
  16. Shad

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    Point stands regardless.



    Prove you are not a brain in a jar and all of reality isn't a simulation. I will wait. (Hint* You cant) Ergo 100% certainty is an absurd standard to hold.
     
  17. Road Less Traveled

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    If it’s an absurd standard to hold, why should anyone sane judge anyone or anything?

    Wouldn’t only an absurd one do such?
     
  18. Shad

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    As you reject the 100% standard and use one that isn't absurd. Accept the low chance of being wrong for a probability of being right that isn't next to impossible to meet. Accept the fact that you, I or anyone can make an error. Create a fail-safe to handle an incorrect conclusion like appeal courts ,which already exist.
     
  19. Road Less Traveled

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    A lot is possible with human nature. Made up stories, blackmail, planted evidence, agendas, framing, people judging people inaccurately for crimes they never committed and eventually exonerated of/ or never exonerated of, false witnesses, murder, scapegoating, mistaking the fact that I or you or anyone wouldn’t do something therefore others wouldn’t either, etc.

    And then even the religious beliefs... the non-religious would have to take into account that they may be wrong and in error.

    Even if you or I or anyone else were born as that guy... we may very well have done what he did, if he did.

    One can only fail-safe so much. But yes, what can anyone that means well collectively do other than do what is in place?
     
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  20. Ponder This

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    Um... okay... so death penalty is actually okay with you? :confused:
     
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