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Discussion in 'Religious News' started by danieldemol, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    Luckily for me and other Norwegian Citizens, we do not have the death penalty here, and it will never come. If you kill soomeone on order from someone else "governmental execution" thats even worse, because then it is more people involved in killing.

    As you know I am a pacifist and am against wars too, so any killing in my eyes is wrong. And the military is a huge killing machine
     
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    I would easily state that killing someone with their finger on the trigger as they rotate to spray a crowd of unarmed fellow citizens with bullets from an automatic gun is effective, life-saving justice.
     
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  3. Amanaki

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    As a pacifist i refuse to use any weapons toward others. But i would probably do anything else to stop a person with a gun the way you describe it
     
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    Just in case you missed this.....

    What? Did you change your mind already?

    When asked "Do you think someone that kills someone, regardless of how or reason, is a murderer?"

    You replied with "I think i answered that already. If you kill someone then yes you are a murderer. Or should i call it killer."

    Now you're saying a car accident doesn't make you a killer.
     
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    IF you crash on purpose and the other person dies, you are a killer, but if you driving along and suddenly you must avoid something in the street and accidentally crash into a car with no intention to kill then no you are not a killer. But any killing done with the intention to end someone's life makes you a killer.
     
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    And that's your opinion/belief and I respect that. OTOH there comes a time when we should rid the world of some people that think killing innocent humans is ok.
    They show they think it's ok by going on a shooting rampage killing several. It's time to put them down and take the threat away from them ever harming anyone else.
     
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    So that make you God, because the only one who can decide if its ok a human being dies is a God or a Buddha, No human being rules over the life of others
     
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    Ok. Then you changed your original statement(if you look I asked specifically "regardless of how or reason").
    Now you are at anyone that kills with intent is a murder/killer.

    If you were being held hostage, surely going to be murdered and a swat member took out the assailant holding you hostage to save your life, you would see him as a murderer/killer?
     
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    I would not like that he killed someone, but i can't talk for other than my self. and i say again i am against killing.
     
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    IMO there is no evidence for any gods. Therefore we live by man's rules, not a gods rules.

    People that only believe in what's right and wrong because of a god base it all on the myth of a nonexistent being.

    Humans don't need a god to understand right or wrong.
     
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    Would you rather he not do his job and let you be killed instead?
     
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    You are a Buddhist so I think you would have a hard time understanding justice from a Biblical perspective, but as I mentioned already, the taking of a life by another human being isn't something to be taken lightly. How much do *you* place on the value of a human life? Human life is precious. I know people have a hard time understanding this with all the abortions that take place nowadays. Mark 8:37 says, 'What can a man give exchange for his life?'. This is a valid question. Should someone be imprisoned for years for the robbing of human life? Is that a suitable punishment. No way.

    It's strange though and I'm curious. As a Buddhist, don't you believe that energy is simply reborn? As a result, what would be the harm in killing someone who is a murderer?

    Messianic.
     
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    If i get killed its ok
     
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    If you kill on purpose you will not gain a new life at all when you die from this life. -the reincarnation ends and the soul is destroyed beause the karma killing gives would be to heavy for a being to carry.
     
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    Hmm, that’s a fair compromise. I do wonder though (since we Aussies don’t have the death penalty either) with the constant complaints of prisoners living on tax payer money, how much is spent on the mountains of legal red tape? Appeals and what not. Isn’t that expensive.
    Though I largely agree with you. Having the sword of Damocles, as it were, hanging over your head would certainly trouble me.

    The death penalty always did strike me as a tiny bit hypocritical. Like when you were in school and one of the punishments for wagging/cutting class was suspension. Even as a kid you’d be a bit sore about it. You purposely miss class so your punishment is to purposely miss more class lol

    But if someone was beyond rehabilitation and their crimes severe, maybe it is better to just remove them altogether
     
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    Hi Amanaki. So even you believe that life has to be given for life taken? That’s interesting. I do wonder though, if someone killed (say) your family, would you be content with them living it up in a lavish rehabilitation facility? Surely there is something wrong with our empathy if we think that allowing a murderer to live is the right decision. And when I talk about empathy I’m referring to the victims families and the dead themselves who have no-one but the living to stand up for them.

    Messianic.
     
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    To put your question a little different, If someone killed my fianceè, would I want that person dead? The answer to that is no, I would not want that. It is more of a punishment to be in prison then to end the murderer's life. Why? Because if you put them in a cell with only food and nothing else to do, they will have a long time to think and suffer from what they did, if you kill them, how are they going to learn? I can not speak for what others want or should think, but in my view the death penalty is wrong.
    Nothing you guys say will make me change that view.

    And just before someone asks :) If someone did kill my fianceè I would be able to forgive them, not the first weeks or first month maybe, but i can forgive.
     
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    Did that god or that buddah decide that it was time for the sister to pass on?
     
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    If you believe in reincarnation and karma, would you be able to know if a god or a buddah wrote a killer or murderer’s life up specifically to carry out karmic debts and karmic justice on others?
     
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    Well, as a member of the blue state of California which is predominantly democrat I've never heard average people here talk about banning guns. In fact, many of us including myself have guns. Our issue is reformatting the process to make it difficult for someone unstable to obtain a gun.
     
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