What makes you think that free will would magically cause you to accept God?
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No Sin?
- Thread starter Sonic247
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What makes you think that free will would magically cause you to accept God?
Muffled
Jesus in me
You have things in reverse. If you did not have free will you would be in Heaven. It is because you have free will that you are on earth when evil is allowed. When the Kingdom of God comes on earth free will goes away and possibly you do also. Where you go depends on what you believe.
Francine
Well-Known Member
And on what you did with that belief. Romans 2:[7] To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life
methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
Tell me, what kind of will is free when it is God's which must be done - or else!?
Nick Soapdish
Secret Agent
Ah, but do they contemplate their morality? Are they aware of it? Or do they just react based on the emotions these things trigger?
crystalonyx
Well-Known Member
Likewise, if I do not trust a supposed god's benevolence, why should I trust it's will?
Muffled
Jesus in me
It isn't all encompassable because then you would be God.
Free will is only definitive of your ability to rebel against God. An analogy would be parents and a rebellious child. The child at adulthood can rebel against the parents but the parents can toss the child out of the house.
Just because you have free will, doesn't mean that you have the power to exert your will.
There are 2 things we have absolutely no control over the first is being born we do not choose it our parents do there is little choice in the matter (unless you talk to a Tibetan Buddhist) the second being death, we can control it in the sense of making it come early but we can not stop it when it comes on its own. I live in the Kingdom of Thailand and there is only room for one King here the one who feeds the people, cares for the sick and is loved by all. There is no room for any kingdom here that would allow evil, suffering, hate or death of the innocent. When I die I will be dead it is that simple most people can't handle the reality of that and I'm not saying I like it but it makes me a better person and drives me to do good for future generations not to mention the reality of the situation makes living so much more precious.
methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
That's ok with me - I already believe that to be the case...
TBH, if the child must be such a "rebel" and be tossed out of the house, then the house probably wasn't condusive to his growth as a person, and it's quite possible that it's better that way. I don't believe God would put us in a place that we could be such "rebels" that we'd get kicked out. God, I'm sure, is a much better "parent" than to raise a child in a situation where it is even possible to "rebel" against It...
Then what of (don't know the exact quote) "Your will is my will"?
Yeah, free will gives us the ability to rebel against God, but it also gives us the ability to choose to obey God. Really, it is only after having chosen to follow Him that you can rebel against Him. But that doesn't mean that you will be 'tossed out of the house' if you rebel against Him. God is a loving and forgiving God. Yes we can choose to 'rebel' against Him but if we have chosen to believe and live for Him He will forgive us. You can't compare God to earthly parents in this situation. God loves us no matter what, and will forgive no matter what. Parents are not so loving or forgiving.
Your right, God does not put us in a place that we could be such "rebels' or do certain actions that will get Him to "kick us out" of our salvation or ultimately of Heaven. He is a much better parent than that. However, you first have to choose to be in His "house" and let Him be our "parent". It is only when you have chosen this that this truth is applicable. If you have never chosen to be in His "house" then then you can never rebel and be thrown out of His "house."
Muffled
Jesus in me
I kicked my daughter out of the house once. She sat on the stoop and cried until I took her back in. I never gave up on her but I wasn't able to save her from herself.
It isn't that God is putting people in a place where they can rebel. He is letting them back in the house so He can try to persuade them to be saved. However for the sake of the righteous they have to be cast back out so the household can have peace and rest.