New Study: Girly Men Favor Nanny State

[dawny0826]

Just an aside: Girliness doesn't equate to weakness. Women are stronger in lower bodies on average than men.

So, technically, lack of upper-body strength can be related to womanly features, but it also offers other opportunities to bring the pain. Like doing a hip-check or kicking somebody in the knee.

I know all this because my hips don't lie.

You tell 'em, sister.

 

[Straw Dog]

I don't believe that govt should take care of us. I don't really believe in individual responsibility either. Hyper-individualism/ seperate agency is illusory and destructive.

I believe in interpersonal responsibility. We are all interconnected with and codependent on each other whether or not we'd like to admit it. I'll take genuine humanity and an actualized sense of community over both big govt and the illusion of independence any day.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

You tell 'em, sister.

Thanks. :highfive:

I learned this from tactical training, hand-to-hand combat, and martial arts in both Japanese and Korean standing arts as well as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I highly recommend these types of martial arts or self-defense training to be reminded that brute upper body strength doesn't always translate to physical combat advantage.

And, the OP made me laugh, because I don't think it translates to trends in political leanings either.

 

[dawny0826]

Thanks. :highfive:

I learned this from tactical training, hand-to-hand combat, and martial arts in both Japanese and Korean standing arts as well as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I highly recommend these types of martial arts or self-defense training to be reminded that brute upper body strength doesn't always translate to physical combat advantage.

And, the OP made me laugh, because I don't think it translates to trends in political leanings either.

Funny, I was just thinking about how strong my hips and thighs feel after belly dancing. You feel like you can conquer the world! Relaxed yet pumped and kind of pretty at the same time.

I got a giggle out of the OP myself.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Funny, I was just thinking about how strong my hips and thighs feel after belly dancing. You feel like you can conquer the world! Relaxed yet pumped and kind of pretty at the same time.

I got a giggle out of the OP myself.

Oh, yeah! That's another discipline that is overwhelmingly empowering!

 

[Alceste]

Looks to me more like selfish, narcissistic men are more likely to work out. We don't "evolve" big biceps. We pump some ******* iron.

The Daily Hate (as it's called by many in England) is not exactly a bastion of journalistic integrity. It's a right wing tabloid. I would take their "science" reporting with a large grain of salt.

 

[Valjean]

I don't believe that govt should take care of us. I don't really believe in individual responsibility either. Hyper-individualism/ seperate agency is illusory and destructive.

I believe in interpersonal responsibility. We are all interconnected with and codependent on each other whether or not we'd like to admit it. I'll take genuine humanity and an actualized sense of community over both big govt and the illusion of independence any day.

Socialist!

 

[Secret Chief]

Looks to me more like selfish, narcissistic men are more likely to work out. We don't "evolve" big biceps. We pump some ******* iron.

The Daily Hate (as it's called by many in England) is not exactly a bastion of journalistic integrity. It's a right wing tabloid. I would take their "science" reporting with a large grain of salt.

Really? You mean this reactionary bigoted xenophobic homophobic hateful title is not even fit to wipe your **** on???

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

 

[Pegg]

I wonder what the causality is on this. Could be that stronger men have no need for governmental support and therefore adopt right-wing views, or maybe the scrawny right-wingers have been bulking up to protect themselves against big government.

i would say its a matter of brains over brawn

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Really? You mean this reactionary bigoted xenophobic homophobic hateful title is not even fit to wipe your **** on???

Daily Mail - RationalWiki

That might be the most amusing wiki post I've read in a while. I found this part made me chuckle...(referrinf to the Daily Mail website having femail articles on each page...)

Its ubiquity on the site is either due to the paper's dedication to the feminist cause, treating womens issues with equal importance or because their machismo-full male readers like to have one off the wrist to a drunk Lindsay Lohan in their lunch breaks.

 

[Secret Chief]

Yeah, tis a most chortlesome page.

I work with a Mail reader. Worryingly, she seems quite intelligent...

 

[lewisnotmiller]

All people have their contradictions. 'Cept me, of course...ahem...

 

[Revoltingest]

And, the OP made me laugh, because I don't think it translates to trends in political leanings either.

I don't know if the study's results are correct.
But I find it fascinating that they might be.
Humans continue to be unexpectedly complex & interesting.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't believe that govt should take care of us. I don't really believe in individual responsibility either. Hyper-individualism/ seperate agency is illusory and destructive.
I believe in interpersonal responsibility. We are all interconnected with and codependent on each other whether or not we'd like to admit it. I'll take genuine humanity and an actualized sense of community over both big govt and the illusion of independence any day.

The underlined portion of your post betrays your bulging biceps. Clearly, you are one of us.

Don't let girly men & their fempologists dismiss us as all testosterone taking iron pumping narcissists.
This is mere envy fueled animosity towards the strong & independent. We didn't ask to be born
stronger than lesser men. This is not a lifestyle choice. I say be strong & proud!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hah! I knew it!
Weaker men want government to take care of them.
(I found this on the internet, so it must be true. But note that the author uses "right wing" in the narrow sense of economics.)

Men who are physically strong are more likely to have right wing political views | Mail Online

Maybe they're bulking up to compensate for being skittish fraidy-cats:

Adult residents of Lincoln, Nebraska who differed in terms of their political views were administered two tasks that are commonly used to gauge threat sensitivity. In one task, participants viewed threatening images (e.g., of spiders, bloody faces, and rotten food), in comparison with neutral and positive images, while the experimenters measured their skin conductance responses (SCR). Heightened SCR reflects increased sweat gland activity associated with a sympathetic nervous system response that is characteristic of fear. As hypothesized, participants who held right-wing (vs. left-wing) views exhibited significantly larger SCRs in response to these threatening images, whereas SCRs to neutral and positive images were uncorrelated with political views. This pattern remained statistically significant after adjusting for the effects of age, gender, education, and income.

Second, Oxley et al. (2008) examined the defensive startle reflex, which was indexed in terms of the magnitude of participants’ eyeblink in response to a very loud and unexpected burst of white noise while they viewed a fixation cross on a computer monitor. Stronger contraction of the muscle surrounding the eye (oribularis oculi) indicates a stronger reflexive defensive reaction to the startling event. All participants exhibited the typical eyeblink reflex in response to the noise burst, but this defensive reaction was significantly stronger for participants who held right-wing (vs. left-wing) views, after adjusting for age, gender, and socioeconomic status.

http://www.psych.nyu.edu/jost/Jost-Amodio-2012.pdf

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe they're bulking up to compensate for being skittish fraidy-cats....

But the OP article did not deal with whether the stronger men worked out or not. Some are strong because they pump iron, & some are strong because they're born that way. Your blatant attempt to tarnish the strong with personal inadequacy bespeaks crazed envy of bulging biceps & prominent pectorals. Your failed attempt to make strength be a lifestyle choice in order to delegitimize the group smells of desperation.
It's time for strong men to come out!
Hell, let strong women come out too!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But the OP article did not deal with whether the stronger men worked out or not. Some are strong because they pump iron, & some are strong because they're born that way.

So... since the article in the OP doesn't mention a mechanism, at this point, my hypothesis is plausible but not confirmed. Fair enough - I'm just throwing out ideas.

Your blatant attempt to tarnish the strong with personal inadequacy bespeaks crazed envy of bulging biceps & prominent pectorals. Your failed attempt to make strength be a lifestyle choice in order to delegitimize the group smells of desperation.

And you seem to be a bit paranoid and skittish there.

 

[Revoltingest]

And you seem to be a bit paranoid and skittish there.

This is a typical girly man response to defeat by a strong man's cogent argument.
I prescribe a strength training program to boost your self esteem & your bench press.
(Is it even legal to pump iron in Canuckistan, the land of pencil necks?)

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I wonder what the causality is on this. Could be that stronger men have no need for governmental support and therefore adopt right-wing views, or maybe the scrawny right-wingers have been bulking up to protect themselves against big government.

Doesn't seem that way when you look at how much government assistance goes to southern red states....

 

[Revoltingest]

Doesn't seem that way when you look at how much government assistance goes to southern red states....

Some helpful observations:
- Gov assistance to red states could reflect the political power of girly men in those states.
- To be "red" is typically to mean being mostly Republican, which is not the same as conservative (a murky term). Many Pubs are big government tax & spend types, as are Dems.
- "Right wing" & "conservative" in this context refer to the economic sense of opposition to the nanny state, rather than social conservatism & authoritarianism.
- The strong man's opposition to creeping socialism is a tendency, & not universal among the strong.