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New rule: No starting any new wars until you've finished fighting all your current ones.

Discussion in 'The Political World' started by Kangaroo Feathers, Jun 14, 2019.

  1. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    In 2001 I was a 23 year old unquestioningly nationalist regular army soldier. I literally counterprotested peace marches, and argued publicly in support of coalition invasion (only we always called it "intervention") of Iraq. I volunteered to go, and in 2005 I got my chance. I was sold a bill of goods. I was used as a political pawn by people who couldn't have given less of a **** about either me or the Iraqis I hurt and killed, who I was allegedly there to "liberate" (this was the supposed casus belli after the much hyped "weapons of mass destruction" failed to materialise). We served with honour and distinction for what turned out to be a dishonourable and ignominious cause. Before I went, I was well educated, smart, energetic, knew it all and on a fast track to a distinguished career in health, tentatively tapped for a subsequent representative role with the Australian conservative political party. It was all laid out. Instead, I came home wrecked, completely disillusioned and betrayed. My mental health took a huge hit, which led to a major physical health incident not long after, and my life has been in a generally downward trajectory ever since. I'm now a 41 year old nobody, working a mundane job of little consequence, and with few prospects of achieving anything significant from here on.

    And holy ****ing **** does it hurt watching us gearing up to do it all again. Call me Cassandra.

    I eagerly await the imminent arrival of the Trumpettes and Usual Suspects to tell me I'm wrong, that it will all be over by Christmas, that we'll be welcomed as liberators, how from the comfort of their armchairs they know how to achieve quick, unambiguous victory with extended supply lines into a large, mountainous country with a large, motivated and engaged population... all the usual stuff. Send your kids, let politicians who won't send their kids send your kids, please don't learn from my example.
     
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  3. Stanyon

    Stanyon RF's Ultra -Square

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    Where did you go to basic training and what unit were you in?
     
  4. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    Kapooka, and 2Cav, why? What difference does that make?
     
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  5. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    I just think its funny.

    You complain about Bush's war. Also that Trump might start another war.

    You and 99% of the left was completely silent on Obama's war.

    Obama’s covert drone war in numbers: ten times more strikes than Bush

    I guess war is ok long as you agree with the man who wages it. No matter what price is paid.
     
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  6. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Sorta reminds me of second son.

    This might shock you , but I agree on several fronts for a fair part.

    We have too many wars going on that aren't adequately being explained, there's also the trend of bypassing Congressional approval for a fair number of conflicts through which executive action is the new norm.

    The United States propensity for offensive military actions comes across as a bit unsettling given our past history of being pretty much a defensive country, where military action is primarily coming at the behest of our allies and only after careful consideration and deliberation.
     
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    Obama's an imperialist warhawk. That does not justify your own support for imperialist warhawks.

    whataboutism.
     
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  8. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    Actually I've repeatedly and frequently condemned Obama's military actions, so, you know, kindly take your whataboutist ad hom and cram it.
     
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  9. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Who said I supported another war?

    #youdontknowjack
     
  10. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Huh uh, sure.
     
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    I didn't say you supported another war. I said you supported warhawks.
    #youdontknowhowtoread
     
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  12. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    I just did it again, but sure, hide in snarky sarcasm and imply then deny tactics rather than address the topic or, God forbid, apologise for your gross mischaracterisation.
     
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  13. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    You can support a politician but not support everything they do ya know.

    #nuance
     
  14. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    And note he didn't actually deny supporting another war, rather, played the imply then deny "Who said I supported another war?" lame game. If he ACTUALLY didn't support another war, presumably he'd have no problem simply stating "I don't support another war".
     
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  15. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    Obama was fighting wars that Bush started
     
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    There is no substantive evidence that President Trump is about to start any war. Furthermore there are significant reasons why he will not before November 2020. One is that he could not, short of game changing circumstances, get support for any war from a Congress that is so hostile to him. Two that it would hurt his re-election prospects.

    Talk of him wanting to start a war is scare mongering, IMHO.
     
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  17. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    and there's the goal post shift.
     
  18. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Nothing to apologize for. Just calling out your BS. If you can't handle some criticism you shouldn't post. :shrug:
     
  19. Kangaroo Feathers

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    And hey, I hope and pray I'm wrong. However, it would be foolish not to not the various parallels between current events and previous "justifications" of military actions.

    If Trump never attacks Iran, feel free to "I told you so" me.
     
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  20. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Why didn't he end it then?
     
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