The Reverend Bob
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That isn't the issue of this thread so stop trying to derailWhy didn't he end it then?
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That isn't the issue of this thread so stop trying to derailWhy didn't he end it then?
I'm on record here and elsewhere criticising Obama for his military action. You mischaracterised me, and are continuing to do so. Wishing I conformed to some imaginary strawman doesn't make it so.Nothing to apologize for. Just calling out your BS. If you can't handle some criticism you shouldn't post.
It's clearly a multi-party issue. Like war had suddenly become the knight on the world's chess board, jumping around here and there at the behest of its player.Obama's an imperialist warhawk. That does not justify your own support for imperialist warhawks.
whataboutism.
And tacitly admit to being on the wrong "side"? Never!That isn't the issue of this thread so stop trying to derail
That isn't the issue of this thread so stop trying to derail
I'm on record here and elsewhere criticising Obama for his military action. You mischaracterised me, and are continuing to do so. Wishing I conformed to some imaginary strawman doesn't make it so.
The US has something of a history of doing this, it must be said. Putting other countries into untenable positions, then citing the predictable responses as justification for war. It's disturbingly recognisable schoolyard bully tactics.Pushing Iran into a corner and then complaining about the result is just about equivalent to firing first.
Yes, how dare I recognise patterns and learn from history?Good for you then. Doesn't chang the fact your overreacting to something that hasn't even happened yet.
I just did it again, but sure, hide in snarky sarcasm and imply then deny tactics rather than address the topic or, God forbid, apologise for your gross mischaracterisation.
Or you could discuss the OP rather than attempting to well poison me, relying on the forums' buggy search function.You can always refer us to the posts in which you have condemned Obama's actions.
Yes, how dare I recognise patterns and learn from history?
You'll note I was one of the people saying North Korea wasn't a threat at the time everyone else was running around like panicked headless chickens over it. Ditto ISIS.Nothing wrong with that but no need to worry that much about it. People actw the same way when N.Korea was running its mouth a year or so ago. No war came from that. So it's worth noting that Trump looks for other ways to resolve issues than using war, he has prove that already.
Wars can be very easy to start and very hard to end. ISIS appeared largely due to how Obama ended the war in Iraq.Why didn't he end it then?
You'll note I was one of the people saying North Korea wasn't a threat at the time everyone else was running around like panicked headless chickens over it. Ditto ISIS.
Prove Iran attacked anyone, and let's talk. Further, the Japanese are big boys. If they feel military action is warranted over this, I'm sure they're capable of asking for help, if not deploying their own self defence forces.I'm no fan of war either. But if Iran keeps sinking ships, funding terrorist groups, and attacking our allies. They will force our hand.
Well... that's kind of arguable and highly reductionist. The group we know as ISIS dates from 1999, before Iraq was even invaded, let alone before the war there "ended" (another highly debatable idea). Their rise to prominence was due to several factors, too. As with most of this stuff, it's all a lot more complicated than simple "thing x is the fault of guy Y because he did action Z". Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - WikipediaWars can be very easy to start and very hard to end. ISIS appeared largely due to how Obama ended the war in Iraq.
Prove Iran attacked anyone, and let's talk. Further, the Japanese are big boys. If they feel military action is warranted over this, I'm sure they're capable of asking for help, if not deploying their own self defence forces.