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Featured My Issues With Romans One

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by idav, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. KenS

    KenS Well-Known Member

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    You were doing REAL good until..... :mad:
    :)
    How do you figure he was punishing innocent people in Romans 1? Didn't sound like they were very innocent.

    That's a deep question especially since all things aren't answer (not enough space in the world to answer all questions). But let me first speak about the horrible you! :D One can't compare the Mosaic Covenant with the Abrahamic Covenant as they are apples and oranges although both are fruity!

    As far as I am concerned, we are back into the Abrahamic Covenant so we are horrible together and God still loves us! But back to the innocent of Pharaoh...

    1) He tried to kill the first born of all male babies on birth
    2) He did kill all the male children during the time of Moses
    3) He enslaved all the Jews and did not pay the wages due to them.
    4) He forgot the mercies that God had on Egypt in the time of Daniel
    5) And this is probably just a short list of all the atrocities committed.

    Usually, people zero in on all the first born that were kille by the Angel of Death and I suppose there are multiple ways of looking at it. Mine, of course, is always correct, but I know that I don't have to convince you of that! ;)

    In Christian understanding, the Angel of Death is Satan. So, with that (Ken's) foundational point, let me see how evil God is.

    1) Pharaoh had been serving Satan through all the false god's Satan had spawned which included prostitution, human sacrifices et al.
    2) Satan, the one who had the power of death, really wants everyone stealing, killing and destroying. Could it be that God had placed His mercy over Egypt many times preventing the full murdering hatred of Satan from being manifested? In my view, God had stayed Satan's hand for years
    3) Did God prevent any of the Egyptians from following suit with the Hebrews by placing blood on their doorposts? They had a track record of 9 plagues and many had started to believe that whatever YHWH had said to Moses was true.

    Remember, if Jew didn't do it, their first born would also be killed by Satan and likewise if an Egyptian did it, their first born would be saved. Mercy was there for everyone, Mosaic judment was likewise applied to everyone.

    And the possibility is that there were Egyptians among them Ex 12:37-38 "Then the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides children. A mixed multitude went up with them also."

    4) Would the children of Egypt follow suit of their fathers? (These are questions that only God knows - but usually that is the case)
    5) So God magnified who He was by setting the slaves free (God hates slavery as He also hates divorce), gave them back wages and set the stage to fulfill the promise to Abraham
    Such a literalist! :rolleyes:
     
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  2. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    My comment wasn't directed at Romans 1 but in Exodus dealing with "hardening Pharaoh's heart".

    Hey, I don't even take myself literally!
     
  3. KenS

    KenS Well-Known Member

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    I corrected my quotations as it also dealt with this point
     
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    Yes, that's what I said.
     
  5. DavidFirth

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    True, but we were discussing atheists in particular.
     
  6. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    Ok, I thought maybe you misunderstood me or I misunderstood you.
    At lease were on the same page.
    Thank you
     
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