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my church voted on same sex marriages
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KW
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Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
The Christians in Rome started what was just one of many churches at the time. And certainly not the first. For many years the Church looked to Jerusalem for leadership.
You only have to read Acts or any of Paul's letters, to understand that that is certainly true.
Perhaps you believe the Bible lies.
You only have to read Acts or any of Paul's letters, to understand that that is certainly true.
Perhaps you believe the Bible lies.
Subduction Zone
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Yes, yes they are. And no authority either. That actually belongs to the Swedish (sorry almost typed Norwegian) government. The Swedish government has that authority. I hope that you are not going to disappoint @KW and tell him that the Swedish government authorized marriage equality
Subduction Zone
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Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Thankfully young Christians are more open to kindness instead of black and white doctrine. Things are looking up.
RestlessSoul
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KW
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Which church is 2000 years old?
KW
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The Church never has. What are you referring to?
RestlessSoul
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
This formative period was followed by the early bishops, whom Christians consider the successors of Christ's apostles. From the year 150, Christian teachers began to produce theological and apologetic works aimed at defending the faith. These authors are known as the Church Fathers, and the study of them is called patristics. Notable early Fathers include Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria and Origen.
Persecution of Christians occurred intermittently and on a small scale by both Jewish and Roman authorities, with Roman action starting at the time of the Great Fire of Rome in 64 AD. Examples of early executions under Jewish authority reported in the New Testament include the deaths of Saint Stephen[Acts 7:59] and James, son of Zebedee.[Acts 12:2] The Decian persecution was the first empire-wide conflict,[200] when the edict of Decius in 250 AD required everyone in the Roman Empire (except Jews) to perform a sacrifice to the Roman gods. The Diocletianic Persecution beginning in 303 AD was also particularly severe. Roman persecution ended in 313 AD with the Edict of Milan.
While Proto-orthodox Christianity was becoming dominant, heterodox sects also existed at the same time, which held radically different beliefs. Gnostic Christianity developed a duotheistic doctrine based on illusion and enlightenment rather than forgiveness of sin. With only a few scriptures overlapping with the developing orthodox canon, most Gnostic texts and Gnostic gospels were eventually considered heretical and suppressed by mainstream Christians. A gradual splitting off of Gentile Christianity left Jewish Christians continuing to follow the Law of Moses, including practices such as circumcision. By the fifth century, they and the Jewish–Christian gospels would be largely suppressed by the dominant sects in both Judaism and Christianity.
-- Christianity - Wikipedia
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
As a follow-up:
The New Testament, in particular the Gospels, records Jesus' activities and teaching, his appointment of the Twelve Apostles and his Great Commission of the apostles, instructing them to continue his work.[38][39] The book Acts of Apostles, tells of the founding of the Christian church and the spread of its message to the Roman empire.[40] The Catholic Church teaches that its public ministry began on Pentecost, occurring fifty days following the date Christ is believed to have resurrected.[41] At Pentecost, the apostles are believed to have received the Holy Spirit, preparing them for their mission in leading the church.[42][43] The Catholic Church teaches that the college of bishops, led by the bishop of Rome are the successors to the Apostles.[44]
In the account of the Confession of Peter found in the Gospel of Matthew, Christ designates Peter as the "rock" upon which Christ's church will be built.[45][46] The Catholic Church considers the bishop of Rome, the pope, to be the successor to Saint Peter.[47] Some scholars state Peter was the first bishop of Rome.[48][note 5] Others say that the institution of the papacy is not dependent on the idea that Peter was bishop of Rome or even on his ever having been in Rome.[49] Many scholars hold that a church structure of plural presbyters/bishops persisted in Rome until the mid-2nd century, when the structure of a single bishop and plural presbyters was adopted,[50] and that later writers retrospectively applied the term "bishop of Rome" to the most prominent members of the clergy in the earlier period and also to Peter himself.[50] On this basis, Oscar Cullmann,[51] Henry Chadwick,[52] and Bart D. Ehrman[53] question whether there was a formal link between Peter and the modern papacy. Raymond E. Brown also says that it is anachronistic to speak of Peter in terms of local bishop of Rome, but that Christians of that period would have looked on Peter as having "roles that would contribute in an essential way to the development of the role of the papacy in the subsequent church". These roles, Brown says, "contributed enormously to seeing the bishop of Rome, the bishop of the city where Peter died and where Paul witnessed the truth of Christ, as the successor of Peter in care for the church universal".[50]-- Catholic Church - Wikipedia
The New Testament, in particular the Gospels, records Jesus' activities and teaching, his appointment of the Twelve Apostles and his Great Commission of the apostles, instructing them to continue his work.[38][39] The book Acts of Apostles, tells of the founding of the Christian church and the spread of its message to the Roman empire.[40] The Catholic Church teaches that its public ministry began on Pentecost, occurring fifty days following the date Christ is believed to have resurrected.[41] At Pentecost, the apostles are believed to have received the Holy Spirit, preparing them for their mission in leading the church.[42][43] The Catholic Church teaches that the college of bishops, led by the bishop of Rome are the successors to the Apostles.[44]
In the account of the Confession of Peter found in the Gospel of Matthew, Christ designates Peter as the "rock" upon which Christ's church will be built.[45][46] The Catholic Church considers the bishop of Rome, the pope, to be the successor to Saint Peter.[47] Some scholars state Peter was the first bishop of Rome.[48][note 5] Others say that the institution of the papacy is not dependent on the idea that Peter was bishop of Rome or even on his ever having been in Rome.[49] Many scholars hold that a church structure of plural presbyters/bishops persisted in Rome until the mid-2nd century, when the structure of a single bishop and plural presbyters was adopted,[50] and that later writers retrospectively applied the term "bishop of Rome" to the most prominent members of the clergy in the earlier period and also to Peter himself.[50] On this basis, Oscar Cullmann,[51] Henry Chadwick,[52] and Bart D. Ehrman[53] question whether there was a formal link between Peter and the modern papacy. Raymond E. Brown also says that it is anachronistic to speak of Peter in terms of local bishop of Rome, but that Christians of that period would have looked on Peter as having "roles that would contribute in an essential way to the development of the role of the papacy in the subsequent church". These roles, Brown says, "contributed enormously to seeing the bishop of Rome, the bishop of the city where Peter died and where Paul witnessed the truth of Christ, as the successor of Peter in care for the church universal".[50]-- Catholic Church - Wikipedia
KW
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No, the Coptic Church which started in Egypt came about later. Jesus started the Catholic Church. Read Matt 16.
Here's what Ignatius said in about 107 AD.
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. —Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8
Father Heathen
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KW
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There were gnostics before Christianity.