Mutah, the so called "temporary marriage". Whats the problem?

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

The Bible makes certain statements which make the Jews out to be the "Chosen Ones" and "Favored" and whatever, and even the New Testament has statements of this sort which can be interpreted as Jewish favoritism. That is not really the message of the Qur'an or Islam for anyone who looks into it, the Arabs are not considered better due to their Arab ancestry or heritage in any way, and the "Nation" or community that is favored is the community of the Muslims, who can exist in any part of the world, even in any other religion as well, there can be Ancient Hindu Muslims, Ancient Buddhist Muslims, Muslim is anyone who happens to follow the things the Qur'an says, who worships The One Power (God), is a good person, does good deeds, their parents can be slaves or prostitutes or whatever it makes no difference whatsoever.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

God is no respector of persons and the Jews are the Chosen people of God because God gave them the land of Israel and used them to bring the Messiah.

Yeah, but the Qur'an and Islam does not say what you seemed to suggest that it says, so I was wondering what gave you that idea exactly?

 

[Skywalker]

Yeah, but the Qur'an and Islam does not say what you seemed to suggest that it says, so I was wondering what gave you that idea exactly?

I believe that the koran favors Muslim males.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

So whoever gave you the feeling that the Qur'an is "pro-Arab" is probably wrong:

9:97 Al-aAArabu ashaddu kufran wanifaqan waajdaru alla yaAAlamoo hudooda ma anzala Allahu AAala rasoolihi waAllahu AAaleemun hakeemun

That says the "Arabs" are:

9:97 The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger: But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise
9:98 Some of the desert Arabs look upon their payments as a fine, and watch for disasters for you: on them be the disaster of evil: for Allah is He That heareth and knoweth (all things)
9:99 But some of the desert Arabs believe in Allah and the Last Day, and look on their payments as pious gifts bringing them nearer to Allah and obtaining the prayers of the Messenger. Aye, indeed they bring them nearer (to Him): soon will Allah admit them to His Mercy: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful
9:100 The vanguard (of Islam)- the first of those who forsook (their homes) and of those who gave them aid, and (also) those who follow them in (all) good deeds,- well-pleased is Allah with them, as are they with Him: for them hath He prepared gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: that is the supreme felicity
9:101 Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty
9:102 Others (there are who) have acknowledged their wrong-doings: they have mixed an act that was good with another that was evil. Perhaps Allah will turn unto them (in Mercy): for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful
9:103 Of their goods, take alms, that so thou mightest purify and sanctify them; and pray on their behalf. Verily thy prayers are a source of security for them: And Allah is One Who heareth and knoweth
9:104 Know they not that Allah doth accept repentance from His votaries and receives their gifts of charity, and that Allah is verily He, the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful
9:105 And say: "Work (righteousness): Soon will Allah observe your work, and His Messenger, and the Believers: Soon will ye be brought back to the knower of what is hidden and what is open: then will He show you the truth of all that ye did."
9:106 There are (yet) others, held in suspense for the command of Allah, whether He will punish them, or turn in mercy to them: and Allah is All-Knowing, Wise
9:107 And there are those who put up a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity - to disunite the Believers - and in preparation for one who warred against Allah and His Messenger aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; But Allah doth declare that they are certainly liars
9:108 Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and Allah loveth those who make themselves pure
9:109 Which then is best? - he that layeth his foundation on piety to Allah and His good pleasure? - or he that layeth his foundation on an undermined sand-cliff ready to crumble to pieces? and it doth crumble to pieces with him, into the fire of Hell. And Allah guideth not people that do wrong
9:110 The foundation of those who so build is never free from suspicion and shakiness in their hearts, until their hearts are cut to pieces. And Allah is All-Knowing, Wise
9:111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme
9:112 Those that turn (to Allah) in repentance; that serve Him, and praise Him; that wander in devotion to the cause of Allah,: that bow down and prostrate themselves in prayer; that enjoin good and forbid evil; and observe the limit set by Allah;- (These do rejoice). So proclaim the glad tidings to the Believers
9:113 It is not fitting, for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray for forgiveness for Pagans, even though they be of kin, after it is clear to them that they are companions of the Fire
9:114 And Abraham prayed for his father's forgiveness only because of a promise he had made to him. But when it became clear to him that he was an enemy to Allah, he dissociated himself from him: for Abraham was most tender-hearted, forbearing
9:115 And Allah will not mislead a people after He hath guided them, in order that He may make clear to them what to fear (and avoid)- for Allah hath knowledge of all things
9:116 Unto Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth. He giveth life and He taketh it. Except for Him ye have no protector nor helper
9:117 Allah turned with favour to the Prophet, the Muhajirs, and the Ansar,- who followed him in a time of distress, after that the hearts of a part of them had nearly swerved (from duty); but He turned to them (also): for He is unto them Most Kind, Most Merciful
9:118 (He turned in mercy also) to the three who were left behind; (they felt guilty) to such a degree that the earth seemed constrained to them, for all its spaciousness, and their (very) souls seemed straitened to them,- and they perceived that there is no fleeing from Allah (and no refuge) but to Himself. Then He turned to them, that they might repent: for Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful
9:119 O ye who believe! Fear Allah and be with those who are true (in word and deed)
9:120 It was not fitting for the people of Medina and the Bedouin Arabs of the neighbourhood, to refuse to follow Allah's Messenger, nor to prefer their own lives to his: because nothing could they suffer or do, but was reckoned to their credit as a deed of righteousness,- whether they suffered thirst, or fatigue, or hunger, in the cause of Allah, or trod paths to raise the ire of the Unbelievers, or received any injury whatever from an enemy: for Allah suffereth not the reward to be lost of those who do good;
9:121 Nor could they spend anything (for the cause) - small or great- nor cut across a valley, but the deed is inscribed to their credit: that Allah may requite their deed with the best (possible reward)

It does not give me a sense of Arab pro. But, I think, to many Arabs and Muslims it has given that sense of arrogance, due to misinterpretation of the Quran.

 

[Skywalker]

It does not give me a sense of Arab pro. But, I think, to many Arab and Muslims it gives that sense, due to misinterpretation of the Quran.

Islam is about following the 7th century Arabian culture of Mohammed.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I am opening this thread not to discuss the theological validity of the Mutah marriage or the invalidity and the strife of both sides of the fence.

From a social point of view, and simple logic, whats the problem with Mutah? Mutah is a temporary marriage that is supposed to initiate a relationship between two people, but not as sexual exploitation of either one, and to be done under a consensual contract.

In a world where dating and sexual relations are quite normal, whats the problem with this idea?

What would the outcome of this temporary marriage be if someone got pregnant as a result?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Islam is about following the 7th century Arabian culture of Mohammed.

Of course, Quran was revealed within that cilultural background. Many of its commands were for the situation in those days. Bible is similar in that regards.
But both the Quran and Bible also have some teachings which are everlasting and applicable to all the time.

 

[Skywalker]

Of course, Quran was revealed within that cilultural background. Many of its commands were for the situation in those days. Bible is similar in that regards.
But both the Quran and Bible also have some teachings which are everlasting and applicable to all the time.

What teachings are you referring to? I don't disagree with everything in the Quran, in the same way I don't disagree with the Buddhist belief of not desiring things. But that doesn't mean I agree with the essence of either belief. You don't need Buddha to know that it's good to keep things simple. I agree with the Quran about it's nice to give to the poor, but the Bible says that we are not saved by our good works.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

What teachings are you referring to? I don't disagree with everything in the Quran, in the same way I don't disagree with the Buddhist belief of not desiring things. But that doesn't mean I agree with the essence of either belief. You don't need Buddha to know that it's good to keep things simple. I agree with the Quran about it's nice to give to the poor, but the Bible says that we are not saved by our good works.

I think there is difference between works and deeds. Yes, Bible says, works alone does not save. But seems to give importance to deeds.

The golden rule, is one of the everlasting teachings in both Quran and Bible.

 

[Skywalker]

I think there is difference between works and deeds. Yes, Bible says, works alone does not save. But seems to give importance to deeds.

The golden rule, is one of the everlasting teachings in both Quran and Bible.

Both the Bible and the Quran give importance to deeds but both cannot be true. Truth is often mixed with lies. You don't need the Quran to know about the golden rule and giving importance to deeds. The teachings of the Bible and the Quran are mutually incompatible. The Quran says Jesus is the Messiah but rejects Jesus being the Son of God-deity united with humanity, and he can help us as he claimed. I agree with the Quran that there is a God who created the universe but I don't agree with the idea of an impersonal god or He revealed himself to humankind outside the Bible.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Both the Bible and the Quran give importance to deeds but both cannot be true. Truth is often mixed with lies. You don't need the Quran to know about the golden rule and giving importance to deeds. The teachings of the Bible and the Quran are mutually incompatible. The Quran says Jesus is the Messiah but rejects Jesus being the Son of God-deity united with humanity, and he can help us as he claimed. I agree with the Quran that there is a God who created the universe but I don't agree with the idea of an impersonal god or He revealed himself to humankind outside the Bible.

I know the Bible says, Jesus is son of God, but what do you think that means really?

 

[Skywalker]

I know the Bible says, Jesus is son of God, but what do you think that means really?

It refers to the Sonship of Jesus in the Trinity.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

It refers to the Sonship of Jesus in the Trinity.

Well, trinity doctrine was developed a few centuries after Jesus by some Christians, so, It cannot be considered a divine explanation or interpretation. So, the Quran is rejecting the sonship of Jesus as understood in the Trinity doctrine.

 

[Skywalker]

Well, trinity doctrine was developed a few centuries after Jesus by some Christians, so, It cannot be considered a divine explanation or interpretation. So, the Quran is rejecting the sonship of Jesus as understood in the Trinity doctrine.

Christians, like Muslims, don't believe that God had a biological son. That would be blasphemous.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Christians, like Muslims, don't believe that God had a biological son. That would be blasphemous.

Maybe some Christians had a wrong understanding of sonship of Christ, specially in the 7th century.

 

[Skywalker]

Maybe some Christians had a wrong understanding of sonship of Christ, specially in the 7th century.

In what sense.

 

[Glaurung]

It's little more than a religious cover for fornication and adultery. A religion that sanctions such blatant hypocrisy is no upgrade to Christianity.

 

[firedragon]

No mate, I replied to @DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan. I like to read between the lines, and replied, as I got the feeling that I was on one line with him

Of course, knowing you, I know that you would not agree with it, because you like to take things very literally usually, hence I made sure not to reply to you, but when you asked for the verse, of course I gave the verse, again the verse I meant when replying to @DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan

Haha. Okay okay. Apologies if I misunderstood you.

 

[firedragon]

What would the outcome of this temporary marriage be if someone got pregnant as a result?

I suppose, without going into technicalities and jurisprudence etc which are human developments, it would be a similar scenario to dating if you put your logic into it. Also, what you should not is that I am not saying this is perfect solution, neither am I claiming to be a proponent. I opened this thread to get what other people think with a liberal intent or/and conservative intent.

Nevertheless since you asked the Jurisprudence on the pregnancy of Nikah Mutah predominantly rests in the normal laws in marital contracts. If there is a pregnancy, they remain married, and if they wish to get a divorce, normal divorce laws apply.

 

[firedragon]

Wikipedia tells me that the bride should be unmaried. I see no such requirement for a male.

Yeah. Wikipedia is not the best source. Good, but not the best.