Mutah, the so called "temporary marriage". Whats the problem?

[firedragon]

I am opening this thread not to discuss the theological validity of the Mutah marriage or the invalidity and the strife of both sides of the fence.

From a social point of view, and simple logic, whats the problem with Mutah? Mutah is a temporary marriage that is supposed to initiate a relationship between two people, but not as sexual exploitation of either one, and to be done under a consensual contract.

In a world where dating and sexual relations are quite normal, whats the problem with this idea?

 

[Altfish]

I am opening this thread not to discuss the theological validity of the Mutah marriage or the invalidity and the strife of both sides of the fence.

From a social point of view, and simple logic, whats the problem with Mutah? Mutah is a temporary marriage that is supposed to initiate a relationship between two people, but not as sexual exploitation of either one, and to be done under a consensual contract.

In a world where dating and sexual relations are quite normal, whats the problem with this idea?

'What's the point of it?' is a more pertinent question

 

[firedragon]

'What's the point of it?' is a more pertinent question

Yeah. But my question is different. So maybe you could open a thread to discuss the point of it. Important question, no doubt.

 

[Altfish]

Yeah. But my question is different. So maybe you could open a thread to discuss the point of it. Important question, no doubt.

The answer there is no problem with it was implicit in my reply

 

[SigurdReginson]

Sooo... I come from a place of pure ignorance, and 5 minutes of research on wikipedia.

It seems this kind of marriage is often utilized by married men. Are the wives often made aware of the second marriages these men have?

Otherwise, the whole thing seems like a way to utilize a backdoor exploit for a sexually repressed society. This style of marriage wouldn't even need to exist if the culture didn't punish folks for just wanting to go out and have sex.

 

[firedragon]

It seems this kind of marriage is often utilized by married men. Are the wives often made aware of the second marriages these men have?

Well, maybe married men use it. Married men go to prostitutes, have affairs, etc etc too. So that's not relevant to the subject. Also you seem to have missed the point of the OP where it states clearly that it is not for sexual exploitation. People can misuse anything, but the thread is to discuss the idea and whats.

The idea is for unmarried people. Not for married people.

 

[SigurdReginson]

Well, maybe married men use it. Married men go to prostitutes, have affairs, etc etc too. So that's not relevant to the subject. Also you seem to have missed the point of the OP where it states clearly that it is not for sexual exploitation. People can misuse anything, but the thread is to discuss the idea and whats.

The idea is for unmarried people. Not for married people.

Ok. What's the point of a temporary marriage if sex isn't the central reason for doing it?

 

[firedragon]

Ok. What's the point of a temporary marriage if sex isn't the central reason for doing it?

How did you mix up "sex" and "sexual exploitation"?

 

[SigurdReginson]

How did you mix up "sex" and "sexual exploitation"?

Ohhhh whoops! Haven't had my coffee yet.

If no one gets exploited, meh; I don't care. Seems like an extra step for unecessary rules, but it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me, then. I don't see how it would be any more exploitative than if 2 people were not married. One benefit to it would be that there would be some kind of record for who the person was with last, assuming something bad happened (like a client killing a prostitute).

 

[Augustus]

In a world where dating and sexual relations are quite normal, whats the problem with this idea?

Nothing really, other than it often often tends to be a cover for rank hypocrisy.

Not far from my neck of the woods (pre-covid at least) there was an industry catering to a stream of Arab sex tourists who would 'marry' a prostitute or 3 for the week then 'divorce' them before popping off home.

Was so common that cafe's often had Arabic language menus.

Consenting adults can do what they like as far as I'm concerned, but I'm pretty confident most of these chaps wouldn't have been too enamoured about their sister 'marrying' a chap for similar reasons.

Plenty of 'respectable' folk here have a secret 2nd or 3rd 'wife' too, often a golf caddy or a karaoke hostess, etc.

Basically it's often about relatively wealthy men getting to **** around while remaining on their sanctimonious moral high-horse for others. So it's not the 'nikah', but the hypocrisy that bothers me. No hypocrisy, no problem.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I am opening this thread not to discuss the theological validity of the Mutah marriage or the invalidity and the strife of both sides of the fence.

From a social point of view, and simple logic, whats the problem with Mutah? Mutah is a temporary marriage that is supposed to initiate a relationship between two people, but not as sexual exploitation of either one, and to be done under a consensual contract.

In a world where dating and sexual relations are quite normal, whats the problem with this idea?

In my view, Mutah is a religious prostitution. Nothing more or less.

 

[stvdv]

I am opening this thread not to discuss the theological validity of the Mutah marriage or the invalidity and the strife of both sides of the fence.

From a social point of view, and simple logic, whats the problem with Mutah? Mutah is a temporary marriage that is supposed to initiate a relationship between two people, but not as sexual exploitation of either one, and to be done under a consensual contract.

In a world where dating and sexual relations are quite normal, whats the problem with this idea?

I think it's a great idea. I see no problems here, only advantages (for people who like to live a dharmic lifestyle; brings more honesty and truthfulness IMO)

Even in the West, with the #MeToo, they start talking about having sex after signing a contract

 

[firedragon]

Not far from my neck of the woods (pre-covid at least) there was an industry catering to a stream of Arab sex tourists who would 'marry' a prostitute or 3 for the week then 'divorce' them before popping off home.

So that's your whole thesis? Great. Thanks.

 

[firedragon]

In my view, Mutah is a religious prostitution. Nothing more or less.

Thanks for your view.

 

[firedragon]

Even in the West, with the #MeToo, they start talking about having sex after signing a contract

Contract. Uh oh. I think many in this same thread would think that's prostitution. Without contract is fine. Contract is prostitution by default to many.

 

[Augustus]

So that's your whole thesis? Great. Thanks.

If that was my whole thesis, there wouldn't have been any more words in my post.

But there was.

So it was not.

Thanks

 

[firedragon]

Ohhhh whoops! Haven't had my coffee yet.

If no one gets exploited, meh; I don't care. Seems like an extra step for unecessary rules, but it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me, then. I don't see how it would be any more exploitative than if 2 people were not married. One benefit to it would be that there would be some kind of record for who the person was with last, assuming something bad happened (like a client killing a prostitute).

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[firedragon]

If that was my whole thesis, there wouldn't have been any more words in my post.

But there was.

So it was not.

Thanks

Very good. Thank you.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The idea is for unmarried people. Not for married people.

You have come up with your own definition of Mutah. In Shia Islam, a married man can also have temporary wives as well.

Well, think about it. If a man can have Four wives in Islam, it means, after the man got the first wife, he was allowed to have another wife. So, why can he also not have a temporary wife as well after being married? Unless you are coming up with your own Mutah. Not the Mutah practiced by some Muslim men. Moreover, why a woman cannot have four husband's, as well as some temporary husband's?

 

[Augustus]

Very good. Thank you.

FD: *Asks question*
Gets direct, factual answer
FD: *whines about getting direct factual answer to question asked*

Rinse, repeat.

Very good. Thank you. Well done.