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Featured Muhammad spread his religion and peace with the minimum human loss

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by paarsurrey, Jan 8, 2017.

  1. paarsurrey

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    Muhammad spread his religion and peace with the minimum human loss
    Seeing the figures of human causalities in “the most murderous century ever” one must note here that Muhammad spread his religion and peace with the minimum human loss, if he and his followers would have not been attacked aggressively; there would have been no human loss.
    Muhammad had no intention to capture any lands or to be a king.Right? Please

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    #32 of respected friend Augustus, thanks and regards to him .
    and post #43 paarsurrey, one may like to read them.
     
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  2. psychoslice

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    You don't really believe that do you ??.
     
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  3. loverofhumanity

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    That's absolutely correct. The Bahá'í Faith, Baha'u'llah and all the Prophets of God support this view because it is the truth.

    What people get confused with is baseless false, hadiths which have no authority over the Quran, together with the bloody history of the Umayyads and Abbasids which came after Muhammad died and disobeyed the Quran.

    True Islam was never and still is not anything but conquering the hearts and minds of people over to the Cause of God for goodness and truth and knowledge.

    Baha'u'llah supports Muhammad fully. His knowledge and wisdom is unchallengeable as is His Son Abdul- Baha. They set out in their Writings the true nature and character of Islam and Muhammad should anyone be found open minded enough to read the truth!!!

    Also there are the Covenants of Muhammad which show Muhammad's treatment of the Christians in His Own Lifetime.

    Muhammad was a perfect example, sinless and truthful. The people that later came after Him have tarnished His Holy Name but He is of them and has nothing to do with them whatsoever.

    The Bahá'í Faith only endorses and fully upholds and defends those Who are of God and we fully uphold and defend Muhammad the Prophet of God and the Quran.
     
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    Nope. Taoism and some other religions were spread with minimal human loss -- that is, virtually none. Islam -- along with some other religions -- incurred huge human losses.
     
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  6. paarsurrey

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    Muhammad did not invade India:
    Islam entered Bharat very peacefully in the times of Muhammad:
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    Cheraman Juma Masjid at Kodungallur

    Islam arrived in Kerala through Arab traders during the time of Prophet Muhammad(AD 609 - AD 632). Kerala has a very ancient relation with the middle east even during the Pre-Islamic period. Muslim merchants (Malik Deenar) settled in Kerala by the 7th century AD and introduced Islam. The Cheraman Juma Masjid said to be the very first mosque in India situated in Kodungallur Taluk, in state of Kerala. According to a tradition, Cheraman Perumal, the last of the Chera kings, became Muslim and traveled to visit prophet Muhammad and this event helped the spread of Islam.
    Islam in Kerala - Wikipedia

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    Paarsurrey are u revert or born muslim?
    Peace
     
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    Minimum compared to whom?
    Number of people killed by:-
    1) Christians when Jesus was alive is 0
    2) Buddhists when Buddha was alive is 0
    3) Jains while Mahavira was alive is 0
    4)Confucians when Confucius was alive is 0
    5) Daoists when Laozi was (allegedly) alive is 0
    6) Sikhs usually got killed by the Muslim kings when Guru Govind Singh was alive
    7) Zoroastrians when Zoroaster was alive is 0
     
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    If Muhammad was such a peaceful man, why is the Koran full of hatred ?.
     
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    If Koran is the word of God who knows all, a commandment
    "You shall not invade other nations to spread my word." in the book would have been nice.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    No, not Muhammad nor in His time. There are also the Covenants of Muhammad which show just how kind He was to the Christians.

    "“the Umayyads assailed the religion of Muḥammad and the truth of ‘Alí, which consist in the love of God.” -Abdul-Baha

    Excerpt From: Bahá, Abdu’l. “Some Answered Questions.”
     
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    They are taken out of social, historical and cultural context in order to deceive people who just reads them and does no further investigation.


    You can clearly see the intention of the youtuber by omitting the verse before (2:190) below in his opening attack on Islam. Now why did he not include 2:190???????????????????????????????? All other suras re battle are dependent on it. He only goes straight to 2:191!!!!!!!!!! Out of context. He's pulling everyone's leg Who a blind and naive. I'm not and know what he's up to.

    Sura 2:190

    "Do not attack unless attacked first. God does not approve of such injustice"

    This one verse makes it clear not to go out and kill everyone but sites like Jihad Watch and Religion of Peace, the cowards they are, hide it away because it shows Islam as only peaceful and defensive.

    Those sites are cowards because they don't present ALL the facts. Why hide the truth deliberately and lie and distort it if it's so clear????

    Also Robert Spencer, in a history about Muhammad, deliberately omitted the first 13 years of cruel oppression, torture and murder the Muslims had been exposed to in a deliberate attempt to make the reader think the Muslims started the fighting when they were oppressed in Mecca for 13 years. Every historian Muslim or non who has no agenda knows this. Only people with an agenda against Islam would try and contextualise and show out of context verses to prejudice people and create hatred and portray it as a religion of violence which it is not.

    Don't forget that it was a European not a Muslim which massacred 6 million Jews although there is tension between Jews and Muslims.
     
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    Verses of Quran "They are taken out of social, historical and cultural context in order to deceive people who just reads them and does no further investigation."

    I agree with one.
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    ...and Hitler, Pol Pot and Mussolini were nice to their pets
     
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    "Minimum" human loss? So some degree of loss of human life is somehow acceptable in spreading a doctrine?
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    If only reality reflected that. Sadly it hasn't.
     
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  19. paarsurrey

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    I don't get one exactly. Please paraphrase it .
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    So your say non of these verses are practiced in the Muslim world, its not a game of who has massacred the most people, we are talking about old Muhammad and his wicked ways.
     
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