Muhammad spread his religion and peace with the minimum human loss

[Kirran]

Urgency for you, maybe, which is sad if you see patience as a virtue. It's easier in faiths that have reincarnation as a belief, I think. Still, we follow ahimsa first, and make sure we maintain ourselves as examples to the world. Hindus, the vast majority, are exceptionally tolerant, as indicated by the location of your own House of Justice, as I recall. (perhaps incorrectly) Of course we view tolerance differently. For us it is far more a 'live and let live' attitude than having everyone conform to some sense of Oneness, or other philosophical ideas, promoted by various groups.

Baha'i Faith's Seat of the Universal House of Justice is in Haifa, Israel.

There is a Baha'i House of Worship in India, in Delhi. There are also HoWs in Chile (just opened), Panama, the USA, Australia, Uganda, Samoa and Germany. There used to be one in Tajikistan but that one got demolished. They are planning the construction of the ninth and tenth HoWs in Papua New Guinea and the Democratic Republic of Congo. After that they're gonna start on local ones, rather than these big national ones.

 

[Vinayaka]

Our principle of 'unity in diversity' is equivalent to live and let live.

We follow the same principle. Same wording even. Apparently Bahais as with us, have individual interpretations. Still the key for us is ahimsa. If it's not ahimsa, and looking top use power to expand via the sword, then we're not quite so tolerant.

 

[loverofhumanity]

We follow the same principle. Same wording even. Apparently Bahais as with us, have individual interpretations. Still the key for us is ahimsa. If it's not ahimsa, and looking top use power to expand via the sword, then we're not quite so tolerant.

The world for thousands of years has learnt that the only way to solve problems is through violence, confrontation and conflict but now we are all better educated the time is approaching when consultation will become the major method of solving disputes.

But there are methods to consultation that the world doesn't know and so they struggle with fiery clashes and blaming each other.

Baha'is have a method of consultation that is outlined step by step how to react and in which way to speak and respond and only very few are aware of this method which could stop wars if they used it.

 

[Vinayaka]

Baha'is have a method of consultation that is outlined step by step how to react and in which way to speak and respond and only very few are aware of this method which could stop wars if they used it.

Some days it seems like some people believe wars are fun, like playing some video game. That disconnect is sad.

 

[psychoslice]

No one spread their religion in peace back then, they were all barbarians, its the only life they knew.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Some days it seems like some people believe wars are fun, like playing some video game. That disconnect is sad.

It's very disappointing because the $trillions spent on army budgets could be used for universal worldwide free healthcare for those in need, universal worldwide education in some trade or skill to eliminate world unemployment and reduce poverty and invest the money into improving the life of people instead of destroying them.

All I can think is male aggression has dominated the world for so long we need the female more gentle family attitude to counterbalance this lust to kill and destroy.

Consultation not confrontation is what we are trying to promote in these situations. Monies are being wasted to destroy life that could be used to sustain it.

 

[paarsurrey]

It's very disappointing because the $trillions spent on army budgets could be used for universal worldwide free healthcare for those in need, universal worldwide education in some trade or skill to eliminate world unemployment and reduce poverty and invest the money into improving the life of people instead of destroying them.

All I can think is male aggression has dominated the world for so long we need the female more gentle family attitude to counterbalance this lust to kill and destroy.

Consultation not confrontation is what we are trying to promote in these situations. Monies are being wasted to destroy life that could be used to sustain it.

"Consultation not confrontation is what we are trying to promote in these situations. Monies are being wasted to destroy life that could be used to sustain it."
Correctly said. Please
Regards

 

[Shad]

It's very disappointing because the $trillions spent on army budgets could be used for universal worldwide free healthcare for those in need, universal worldwide education in some trade or skill to eliminate world unemployment and reduce poverty and invest the money into improving the life of people instead of destroying them.

Yes lets turn a blind eye to world conflicts as these will magically go away when we disarm ourselves. Yes of all these conflicts will be resolved with employment and healthcare....

 

[loverofhumanity]

Yes lets turn a blind eye to world conflicts as these will magically go away when we disarm ourselves. Yes of all these conflicts will be resolved with employment and healthcare....

No of course not. We will always need security. But the problem is one of character and behaviour that no amount of military spending can fix.

Unless people's attitudes change and they learn to be tolerant and accepting of each other, there will always be conflict.

But through education at childhood we can be taught to love humanity above our country and to see the whole world as our own country.

As people accept their oneness wars will be a thing of the past. It's a matter of having a world embracing vision as opposed to national rivalries and hatreds. Loyalty to humanity first not nationality.

 

[Shad]

No of course not. We will always need security. But the problem is one of character and behaviour that no amount of military spending can fix.

It isn't the military's duty to correct behavior. Your point is moot.

Unless people's attitudes change and they learn to be tolerant and accepting of each other, there will always be conflict.

Dumping taxpayer dollars into other nations is not going to do this either as it is cultural problem

But through education at childhood we can be taught to love humanity above our country and to see the whole world as our own country.

Which only applies to the nation one is in not foreign nations. Other nations have no obligation to follow your idea.

As people accept their oneness wars will be a thing of the past.

How is this accomplished in foreign nations that have no interest in your idea?

It's a matter of having a world embracing vision as opposed to national rivalries and hatreds. Loyalty to humanity first not nationality.

How do you accomplish this.

I see a lot of happy idea on paper, nothing about using it in practice. Still a pipe dream

 

[loverofhumanity]

It isn't the military's duty to correct behavior. Your point is moot.

It's a matter for educational institutions not the military to correct behaviour. Monies spent on military can be invested in education.


Dumping taxpayer dollars into other nations is not going to do this either as it is cultural problem

We can only fix our own problems not other nations.

Which only applies to the nation one is in not foreign nations. Other nations have no obligation to follow your idea.

True. A need will have to arise to bring this about.

How is this accomplished in foreign nations that have no interest in your idea?

Education. The idea will be spread. It will be gradually accepted as the only other alternative is far worse.

How do you accomplish this.

It is what we are taught that makes us who we are. If we are taught to love all humanity we will love all countries not just our own. Again, education.

I see a lot of happy idea on paper, nothing about using it in practice. Still a pipe dream

The Bahai Community is a model of a future world commonwealth. We have proved it can be done.

 

[Kirran]

The Bahai Community is a model of a future world commonwealth. We have proved it can be done.

Like ISKCON did

 

[Shad]

The Bahai Community is a model of a future world commonwealth. We have proved it can be done.

No you haven't. You have no nation-state. You have a religious doctrine creating an delusion you accept and propagate. You have an utopian fantasy that looks great on paper but has no practical application nor experience of application

 

[loverofhumanity]

Like ISKCON did

All humanity have the potential to come together. Basically all people are good and by building communities based on the concept of the oneness of humankind, we are creating people who have the wider loyalty to all humanity.

 

[Shad]

Jesus: 1, his own.

 

[Kirran]

All humanity have the potential to come together. Basically all people are good and by building communities based on the concept of the oneness of humankind, we are creating people who have the wider loyalty to all humanity.

I do sympathise with Quintessence's seeing this as overly anthropocentric.

Also, please do not think that the Baha'i movement is the only one to have brought people together internationally!

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The Bahai Community is a model of a future world commonwealth. We have proved it can be done.

Blimey, this is hubris. The LARPers at Nova Roma have a better track record on this than you do.

 

[LuisDantas]

No you haven't. You have no nation-state. You have a religious doctrine creating an delusion you accept and propagate. You have an utopian fantasy that looks great on paper but has no practical application nor experience of application

Way to miss the point.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I do sympathise with Quintessence's seeing this as overly anthropocentric.

Also, please do not think that the Baha'i movement is the only one to have brought people together internationally!

No. And that's a very good thing. It shows that people all over the world are becoming aware of the need to join together and be as one family.

 

[Kirran]

No. And that's a very good thing. It shows that people all over the world are becoming aware of the need to join together and be as one family.

And what do you make of the anthropocentrism challenges?