Audie
Veteran Member
Can you be specific?
In general, the "teachings" are nothing new or
unique. It is the same as we are taught at home,
but without the supernatural overlay.
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Muhammad. Mastermind or Prophet?
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Can you be specific?
In general, the "teachings" are nothing new or
unique. It is the same as we are taught at home,
but without the supernatural overlay.
Audie
Veteran Member
Without making any effort to check first I would bet a
thousand dollars that no such thing exists.
GoldenThread
Member
Luke 14:33, "Anyone who does not forsake all that they have cannot be my disciple."
Matt 6:24," No man can serve two master; for either he will hate the one and love the other; or he will stick to the one and despise the other; No man can serve both God and mammon (Money).
Were you told that Jesus wants you to forsake all your possessions? How about not worrying about getting a career/job, since Jesus taught us not to serve/work for money? Are these teachings new to you?
In peace
Audie
Veteran Member
I know Christianity better than full many a Christian does.
None of those teachings are of any interest to me, other
than seeing how nominal christians observe them in the breach.
What is it to you, to ask me?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I do not believe that is the case.
I believe he believed he was serving God.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe all the fluff is in your thinking. God does not need a PR man. Mohammed might.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I have to hand it to the Arcadians (people from Nova Scotia) One of my ancestors was name Selena and another Seretha. Definitely more unique than Mary and Jane.
Audie
Veteran Member
I guess that is why "god" always speaks to us directly,
none of them middlemen.
Of course, you are assuming that there is a god, that
your chosen spokesman is the real deal, and that
you know a lot about what god needs and dont.
All that your "god" is, is a buncha fluff. Every last
god, demon, sprite, angel, nymph etc and blah
every dreamed up every last stinking religion ever.
Audie
Veteran Member
It is impossible to be more unique, or less unique.
We Never Know
No Slack
Wrong. Another definition of unique is unusual.
He was speaking of names and using that definition, as muffled stated, Selena and Seretha are definitely more unique than Mary and Jane.
Audie
Veteran Member
Investigate the truth,
I believe that Muhammad did not make his appearance until around 600 years After Jesus walked on earth.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
To answer the Thread ( Muhammad, Mastermine or Prophet)
I would have to say, Muhammad was more of a Mastermind than a prophet.
Muhammad has many fooled into believing he's a prophet.
But seeing 625 years before Muhammad was born and raised in the desert, Christ Jesus foretold all about a false prophet in the desert.
Matthew 24:23-26.
Note that Christ Jesus pointing to the desert a false will be found in verse 26
Muhammad is only the self proclaim prophet in the desert.
Bringing the fulfillment of the prophecy that Christ Jesus gave back 625 years before Muhammad was born.
gnostic
The Lost One
I actually didn’t know much about Muhammad or about Islam itself, because it was never really big in Australia, not until 9-11.
Before 9-11, I simply didn’t care what Islam is all about, and didn’t care if Muhammad was a prophet or not.
To me, I treated Muhammad the same way I treat what I do or don’t want to eat.
For instance, I don’t care for the taste of turkey, crab or octopus, but I don’t try to force others to share my dislike for its taste, but I also expect people not to force me to eat and like turkey, crab and octopus. So I don’t care what other people want to eat because they are free to like what they want to eat or what they dislike and don’t want to eat.
So I didn’t care about people believing Muhammad to being a prophet or not believing him to be a prophet, because it never mattered to me, so I wasn’t interested in learning more about Muhammad or about Islam.
Like I understand the wars and attacks that have been going on in the Middle East, like that of civil war in Lebanon in the 1970s or tit for tat attack and retaliation between Israelis and Palestinians that have been going on for decades, or the Russians fighting the Afghans, and the revolution in Iran, etc that all predated 9-11, I was aware of all this, but it was so far away from Australia, so I really didn’t care what going on in the Middle East. Wars were political and social issues, and I wasn’t interested in politics or in wars.
My point is that foreign politics and foreign wars were of no interests to me, particularly what was going on in the Middle East.
Then everything changed with 9-11, and that tragedy pushed both Islam and Muhammad in the spotlight. And how I looked at politics and other related issues...well, everything changed that day.
Until 9-11, I didn’t know anything about Osama bin Laden, or about the al-Qaeda or the Talibans. Middle Eastern politics and wars simply didn’t interest me, but because Australia was ally to the US since World War II, I had to face the bloody fact that PM John Howard was going to support bloody George Bush junior and he was going to push Australian troops into the war(s) with enemies that has politics that I don’t understand.
What I didn’t understand that Muslims have tendencies to mix current politics, wars and social issues with their religion. In a country, like Australia, where Australians were predominantly Christians, it was politically secular - the law and policies were secular. And being of Chinese background living in Australian suburb, I didn’t understand with others would enmesh religion with politics.
Politics is already messy without religion interference, but a combination of politics and religion was to me, a big unstable timebomb catastrophe that could detonate prematurely at the slightest vibration.
And I was already seeing that it was going to happen.
And Islam kept getting into dragged into limelight because it kept getting used by terrorists.
What does anything have to do with Muhammad?
Yes, I was getting sidetracked, but what I wanted to say is that 9-11 has made me face what I didn’t want to know about - Islam. If 9-11 didn’t happen, I probably would have continued to ignore Islam.
You cannot learn a thing about Islam without learning more about Muhammad.
And to put it simply, the more I learned about Muhammad, the less I like about him, prophet or not prophet.
Edit:
I am not saying that Islam support or equate with terrorism, but how my attention to Islam for the first time. If 9-11 didn’t happen, I probably would have continue to ignore Islam.
Before 9-11, I simply didn’t care what Islam is all about, and didn’t care if Muhammad was a prophet or not.
To me, I treated Muhammad the same way I treat what I do or don’t want to eat.
For instance, I don’t care for the taste of turkey, crab or octopus, but I don’t try to force others to share my dislike for its taste, but I also expect people not to force me to eat and like turkey, crab and octopus. So I don’t care what other people want to eat because they are free to like what they want to eat or what they dislike and don’t want to eat.
So I didn’t care about people believing Muhammad to being a prophet or not believing him to be a prophet, because it never mattered to me, so I wasn’t interested in learning more about Muhammad or about Islam.
Like I understand the wars and attacks that have been going on in the Middle East, like that of civil war in Lebanon in the 1970s or tit for tat attack and retaliation between Israelis and Palestinians that have been going on for decades, or the Russians fighting the Afghans, and the revolution in Iran, etc that all predated 9-11, I was aware of all this, but it was so far away from Australia, so I really didn’t care what going on in the Middle East. Wars were political and social issues, and I wasn’t interested in politics or in wars.
My point is that foreign politics and foreign wars were of no interests to me, particularly what was going on in the Middle East.
Then everything changed with 9-11, and that tragedy pushed both Islam and Muhammad in the spotlight. And how I looked at politics and other related issues...well, everything changed that day.
Until 9-11, I didn’t know anything about Osama bin Laden, or about the al-Qaeda or the Talibans. Middle Eastern politics and wars simply didn’t interest me, but because Australia was ally to the US since World War II, I had to face the bloody fact that PM John Howard was going to support bloody George Bush junior and he was going to push Australian troops into the war(s) with enemies that has politics that I don’t understand.
What I didn’t understand that Muslims have tendencies to mix current politics, wars and social issues with their religion. In a country, like Australia, where Australians were predominantly Christians, it was politically secular - the law and policies were secular. And being of Chinese background living in Australian suburb, I didn’t understand with others would enmesh religion with politics.
Politics is already messy without religion interference, but a combination of politics and religion was to me, a big unstable timebomb catastrophe that could detonate prematurely at the slightest vibration.
And I was already seeing that it was going to happen.
And Islam kept getting into dragged into limelight because it kept getting used by terrorists.
What does anything have to do with Muhammad?
Yes, I was getting sidetracked, but what I wanted to say is that 9-11 has made me face what I didn’t want to know about - Islam. If 9-11 didn’t happen, I probably would have continued to ignore Islam.
You cannot learn a thing about Islam without learning more about Muhammad.
And to put it simply, the more I learned about Muhammad, the less I like about him, prophet or not prophet.
Edit:
I am not saying that Islam support or equate with terrorism, but how my attention to Islam for the first time. If 9-11 didn’t happen, I probably would have continue to ignore Islam.
Remté
Active Member
What makes you think it speaks of Muhammad? There's a lot of deserts in the world.
Remté
Active Member
He didn't create this following that worships him as though he was a God. He created a following and then some people forged a new message claiming it was his.
Christians and Muslims have the same God.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Yeah and at the time of Christ Jesus there was only one desert that was close by the people of Israel. So all it takes is common sense to know what desert Christ Jesus was speaking about.
To day this desert is called the Arabian desert. The same desert that Muhammad was born in and lived in.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Nope not at all do Christians and Muslims have the same God.
Remté
Active Member
Did Jesus say it was the desert nearest to him? What about the Syrian desert? The arabian desert is about 900 000 square miles in size.
Remté
Active Member
What's the difference between their Gods?