Muhammad. Mastermind or Prophet?

[Jesus from the Ghetto]

Muhammad is one of the most influential humans to have ever lived.

Through him a religion formed denying the God of the popular Christianity, which at that time is remarkable.

Today Muhammad is the most common first name in the world.

Regardless of his intent he was able to form a huge following that still claims he was a perfect being and example to live by.

Yet, he was a military war leader who led many bloody battles. He did the dirty with a 9 year old. He had more women than Hugh Hef (peace be upon Hugh.) Etc.

So my question.. Do you think Muhammad believed what he preached and thought he was doing good?
Or..
Do you think he was consciously just wanting power and control manipulating minds of others?

 

[Audie]

The big M, in himself, did not amount to much.

Like with "Jesus", ot Joseph Smith, obscure figures
were fluffed up by others who had their own
reasons to do so.

That is not obvious?

 

[Estro Felino]

Today Muhammad is the most common first name in the world.

Which denotes that a certain culture has lots of creativity

 

[A REAL CHRISTIAN]

The big M, in himself, did not amount to much.

Like with "Jesus", ot Joseph Smith, obscure figures
were fluffed up by others who had their own
reasons to do so.

That is not obvious?

They made world religions. That adds up. Why would ancients fluff up jesus? He talks about destroying the jewish temple, picks at jewish leaders, degrades pagan gods, etc really if you look at it all he did was make people angry to the point he was executed. Dont forget he claimed to be god all the way to his execution which is why he was mocked because common sense says if your god you wont die by execution! He really sounded crazy!

 

[Jesus from the Ghetto]

The big M, in himself, did not amount to much.

Like with "Jesus", ot Joseph Smith, obscure figures
were fluffed up by others who had their own
reasons to do so.

That is not obvious?

I'm no one to speak on what appears obvious or not. Yes, others gave them their legacy but for good reason.

 

[Audie]

They made world religions. That adds up. Why would ancients fluff up jesus? He talks about destroying the jewish temple, picks at jewish leaders, degrades pagan gods, etc really if you look at it all he did was make people angry to the point he was executed. Dont forget he claimed to be god all the way to his execution which is why he was mocked because common sense says if your god you wont die by execution! He really sounded crazy!

You only ask about "Jesus". Why?

People found reason to promote all the other false
prophets, but the one you choose to believe
in, that one is the real deal.

I will leave you to figure it out. If I say, you
will just dig in deeper.

 

[Audie]

I'm no one to speak on what appears obvious or not. Yes, others gave them their legacy but for good reason.

That is kinda like saying you dont have common sense.

What "good reason" do you find for supporting frauds?

 

[Jesus from the Ghetto]

You only ask about "Jesus". Why?

People found reason to promote all the other false
prophets, but the one you choose to believe
in, that one is the real deal.

I will leave you to figure it out. If I say, you
will just dig in deeper.

I would say every so called prophet was promoted as well as called false so it really isn't applicable to my question if Muhammad had evil intent or if he thought he was doing good .

 

[Jesus from the Ghetto]

That is kinda like saying you dont have common sense.

What "good reason" do you find for supporting frauds?

Wow. A judge on common sense. Not everyone has been brought up in your social environment. Its mere ignorance to state what is common to one is common for all.

 

[Audie]

I would say every so called prophet was promoted as well as called false so it really isn't applicable to my question if Muhammad had evil intent or if he thought he was doing good .

How do you know his intent? Nobody does.

Fact is, an awful lot of people have come up with
ideas how to lead people. Shall we name some more?

Jim Jones?

 

[Audie]

Wow. A judge on common sense. Not everyone has been brought up in your social environment. Its mere ignorance to state what is common to one is common for all.

Just sending your own words back to you.
Unable to perceive the obvious.
And yes, common sense is sadly uncommon.

 

[Jesus from the Ghetto]

How do you know his intent? Nobody does.

Fact is, an awful lot of people have come up with
ideas how to lead people. Shall we name some more?

Jim Jones?

I don't know his intent. Haven't claimed to know his intent. I never once even stated what I thought. The OP was asking others what their opinion was.. Nothing more.. Nothing less. Everything you have replied has been 100% irrelevant to the question I asked.

 

[Jesus from the Ghetto]

Just reading your words back to you.
And yes, common sense is sadly uncommon.

One day I hope I grow to have the smallest amount of knowledge you have oh wise one.

 

[Audie]

One day I hope I grow to have the smallest amount of knowledge you have oh wise one.

I was setting a mighty low bar, you may make it if you try.

Start with figuring out that your question was a false dichotomy.

 

[A REAL CHRISTIAN]

You only ask about "Jesus". Why?

People found reason to promote all the other false
prophets, but the one you choose to believe
in, that one is the real deal.

I will leave you to figure it out. If I say, you
will just dig in deeper.

I asked because the other options do make sense in how they rose to popularity. Muhammad united a bunch of clans to take over land. Joseph smith borrowed heavly from christianity so that kind of goes back to my first response. Jesus is alot more unique heck people wanted to crown him king but he refused.

 

[Jesus from the Ghetto]

I was setting a mighty low bar, you may make it if you try.

Start with figuring out that your question was a false dichotomy.

That's your opinion. Thanks for sharing. Have a wonderful day.

 

[A REAL CHRISTIAN]

The big M, in himself, did not amount to much.

Like with "Jesus", ot Joseph Smith, obscure figures
were fluffed up by others who had their own
reasons to do so.

That is not obvious?

If you knew anything about ancient culture of jesus time the jews are convinced they are Gods special people. They were also under roman rule and were constantly fighting against them for independence. The jews were convinced the messiah would lead this fight. However jesus never was a military leader and instead insisted on teaching a path of salvation from sins which is kind of pointless because the jews already had a sacrificial system. Judaism was actually kind of a spectacle to the rest of the pagan world the romans were all like "those jews are weird but as long as they pay taxes and stay quiet whatever and who is that rogue jew that says the amighty Zeus doesnt exist and ceaser is not the real king?" Theres no reason to fluff up jesus. Anyone who says christianity was a religion for the masses simply has no cultural context of jesus time. The real question is how the heck did christianity spread?

 

[Audie]

If you knew anything about ancient culture of jesus time the jews are convinced they are Gods special people. They were also under roman rule and were constantly fighting against them for independence. The jews were convinced the messiah would lead this fight. However jesus never was a military leader and instead insisted on teaching a path of salvation from sins which is kind of pointless because the jews already had a sacrificial system. Judaism was actually kind of a spectacle to the rest of the pagan world the romans were all like "those jews are weird but as long as they pay taxes and stay quiet whatever and who is that rogue jew that says the amighty Zeus doesnt exist and ceaser is not the real king?" Theres no reason to fluff up jesus. Anyone who says christianity was a religion for the masses simply has no cultural context of jesus time. The real question is how the heck did christianity spread?

Ah so your original question was a not the real question,
besides being a false dichotomy.

How did it spread? Same way as other "messages"
from fakes. Like say, J Smith and his gold books
and those who found reason to fluff it up.

And BTW, you assume wrongly that I am unaware of
the context of "Jesus" in time and place.

I know more about the bible etc than most
"Christians".

 

[A REAL CHRISTIAN]

Ah so your original question was a not the real question,
besides being a false dichotomy.

How did it spread? Same way as other "messages"
from fakes. Like say, J Smith and his gold books
and those who found reason to fluff it up.

And BTW, you assume wrongly that I am unaware of
the context of "Jesus" in time and place.

I know more about the bible etc than most
"Christians".

Its a question that your question lead to.
"Found reason to fluff it up?" I think you need to ponder what i said more.

 

[A REAL CHRISTIAN]

Ah so your original question was a not the real question,
besides being a false dichotomy.

How did it spread? Same way as other "messages"
from fakes. Like say, J Smith and his gold books
and those who found reason to fluff it up.

And BTW, you assume wrongly that I am unaware of
the context of "Jesus" in time and place.

I know more about the bible etc than most
"Christians".

And mormonism is a spin off of an accepted religion ( christianity) its not that hard to get off the ground in comparison to christianity which was totally different from other religions and started out insulting the accepted religions of the time.