King Phenomenon
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Well I just think messiahs a pretty hefty titleWhat rabbis say generally does not pertain to Christology, except to explain why it's wrong.
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Well I just think messiahs a pretty hefty titleWhat rabbis say generally does not pertain to Christology, except to explain why it's wrong.
Are you referring to the thread title?Well I just think messiahs a pretty hefty title
I’m referring to messiahs in generalAre you referring to the thread title?
So you've lost me as to how that pertains to "What rabbis say generally does not pertain to Christology, except to explain why it's wrong."...I’m referring to messiahs in general
Glad things r clear for ya lolWell I guess this clears everything up....
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One more thing which I think you will find fascinating as I did � Rabbi Kanievsky writes that the messiah � whoever he might be � is living among us today and is aware that he is the messiah, just that he can�t reveal his true identity until such time that G-d wills it! Wow! May we all merit to see that day!
Well I guess every religion has its own definition of what a messiah is. As for me I like to think outside the box and wonder what a messiah could mean to me and my realityIt would be nice to know why he believes so. And, I think all should know that Jesus said in the Bible:
If therefore they tell you, 'Behold, he is in the wilderness,' don't go out; 'Behold, he is in the inner chambers,' don't believe it. For as the lightning comes forth from the east, and is seen even to the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Matthew 24:27
That is why, when Jesus the Messiah comes back, he is not hiding.
This might clarify things:It would be nice to know why he believes so.
Rabbi Kanievsky is echoing a story from the Talmud in which one of the sages meets the prophet Elijah and asks him where the Mashiach is. Elijah directs him to the gates of Rome, where a band of beggars are sitting. He explains to him how to identify the Mashiach from among them. The sage then asks him: When are you coming? The Mashiach answered: Today! This excited the sage. The next day came, and nothing happened. So he went back to the Mashiach and asked him: What gives? The Mashiach replied: I can only go and bring the redemption when God tells me I can. But I am ready to do this every day.
Rabbi Kanievsky is also echoing an idea expressed by many sages over the millennia, that in every generation there's a person capable of being the Mashiach, a person with the right potential. But the circumstances still haven't been ideal enough for this individual bring about the redemption.
Thus, Rabbi Kanievsky was not talking about, God-forbid, Jesus, but about two deep ideas about the real Jewish Mashiach. He was not talking about an immortal messianic individual, but of the concept of the Mashiach itself as it manifests through the generations.
Not every religion has a messiah concept. It's, afaik, a fundamentally Jewish concept the way we know it, except maybe the Saoshyant.Well I guess every religion has its own definition of what a messiah is.
Who here believes that the messiah was the only living being who god graciously bestowed the gift upon to have power over death so we may all have everlasting life?
Why did God make a rule that someone had to die for sin?
We all die for our own sins. This started with the first humans. If people were going to sin then God could not allow them to live forever without that problem being fixed.
A death is a just way to buy back all those dead people and paying for the all those sins at the same time. It had to be the death of someone who was sinless however or that person would be just dying for their own sins, and it had to be someone God chose whose worth would pay the price.
Jesus satisfied these things and by His death, through faith in Him our sins are forgiven. We become joined spiritually to Jesus and God sees us as having died with Jesus and in Jesus we have the eternal resurrection life that Jesus has.
Our spirits are said to be born again by the Spirit of God and God's Spirit lives in us and changes us to be like Jesus. We still die physically but when resurrected we are given a body that can be controlled by our spirit, a spiritual body.
In this life our body and mind want to do just what they want to do and that is just to gratify themselves. That is why a new body is needed.
Who here believes that the messiah was the only living being who god graciously bestowed the gift upon to have power over death so we may all have everlasting life?
Why did God make a rule that we had to die because we sin?
I guess it was what was needed. It is as if someone has done something that society does not want them to keep doing. It is either execute them or lock them away. So God could not allow us to live forever and keep doing evil.
Death in reality is the locking of people away until the resurrection, when all will be judged.
This might clarify things:
I don't find in Tanach a description of an immortal Mashiach.Interesting story, thank you. The “He was not talking about an immortal messianic individual, but of the concept of the Mashiach itself as it manifests through the generations”, part is a problem to me, because it doesn’t seem to be based on scriptures in the Bible. The whole idea of future saving Messiah seems to be missing from the Tanakh, if not interpreted in controversial way.
........ God has free will and is also incorruptible. Why didn't he make us that way too?
Who here believes that the messiah was the only living being who god graciously bestowed the gift upon to have power over death so we may all have everlasting life?