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Messiah

King Phenomenon

King Phenomenon

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Who here believes that the messiah was the only living being who god graciously bestowed the gift upon to have power over death so we may all have everlasting life?
 
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danieldemol

danieldemol

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Power Stone said:
Who here believes that the Christ was the only living being who god so graciously bestowed upon him the gift of having power over death so we may all have everlasting life? Furthermore, whoever believes this do you also believe this was the only thing that set him apart from others, meaning other than this gift he was just an ordinary man?

Anyway here’s something I found on the web⬇️
lol

TORCH: Torah Weekly
One more thing which I think you will find fascinating as I did � Rabbi Kanievsky writes that the messiah � whoever he might be � is living among us today and is aware that he is the messiah, just that he can�t reveal his true identity until such time that G-d wills it! Wow! May we all merit to see that day!
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Do you mean Jesus? I don't believe He had power over physical death.
And I don't believe He was the only one with power over spiritual death.
All virtuous people have power over spiritual death in my opinion.
 
Jedster

Jedster

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Power Stone said:
Who here believes that the Christ was the only living being who god so graciously bestowed upon him the gift of having power over death so we may all have everlasting life? Furthermore, whoever believes this do you also believe this was the only thing that set him apart from others, meaning other than this gift he was just an ordinary man?

Anyway here’s something I found on the web⬇️
lol

TORCH: Torah Weekly
One more thing which I think you will find fascinating as I did � Rabbi Kanievsky writes that the messiah � whoever he might be � is living among us today and is aware that he is the messiah, just that he can�t reveal his true identity until such time that G-d wills it! Wow! May we all merit to see that day!
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Did you know there is a movie made of "The disputation" based on the book?.
A great movie and book, which I read years ago.

The Disputation (TV Movie 1986) - IMDb
The Disputation - YouTube
 
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Brian2

Brian2

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Power Stone said:
Who here believes that the Christ was the only living being who god so graciously bestowed upon him the gift of having power over death so we may all have everlasting life? Furthermore, whoever believes this do you also believe this was the only thing that set him apart from others, meaning other than this gift he was just an ordinary man?

Anyway here’s something I found on the web⬇️
lol
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He is the only one sent from God for the task of dying to pay the price for the sins of us all.
He lived as an ordinary man by was not just an ordinary man because of His identity.
 
Kenny

Kenny

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Brian2 said:
He is the only one sent from God for the task of dying to pay the price for the sins of us all.
He lived as an ordinary man by was not just an ordinary man because of His identity.
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DITTO
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

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Brian2 said:
He is the only one sent from God for the task of dying to pay the price for the sins of us all.
He lived as an ordinary man by was not just an ordinary man because of His identity.
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Why did God make a rule that someone had to die for sin?
 
Harel13

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
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Power Stone said:
Who here believes that the Christ was the only living being who god so graciously bestowed upon him the gift of having power over death so we may all have everlasting life? Furthermore, whoever believes this do you also believe this was the only thing that set him apart from others, meaning other than this gift he was just an ordinary man?

Anyway here’s something I found on the web⬇️
lol

TORCH: Torah Weekly
One more thing which I think you will find fascinating as I did � Rabbi Kanievsky writes that the messiah � whoever he might be � is living among us today and is aware that he is the messiah, just that he can�t reveal his true identity until such time that G-d wills it! Wow! May we all merit to see that day!
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I don't blame you for completely misunderstanding Rabbi Kanievsky. Rabbi Kanievsky is echoing a story from the Talmud in which one of the sages meets the prophet Elijah and asks him where the Mashiach is. Elijah directs him to the gates of Rome, where a band of beggars are sitting. He explains to him how to identify the Mashiach from among them. The sage then asks him: When are you coming? The Mashiach answered: Today! This excited the sage. The next day came, and nothing happened. So he went back to the Mashiach and asked him: What gives? The Mashiach replied: I can only go and bring the redemption when God tells me I can. But I am ready to do this every day.

Rabbi Kanievsky is also echoing an idea expressed by many sages over the millennia, that in every generation there's a person capable of being the Mashiach, a person with the right potential. But the circumstances still haven't been ideal enough for this individual bring about the redemption.

Thus, Rabbi Kanievsky was not talking about, God-forbid, Jesus, but about two deep ideas about the real Jewish Mashiach. He was not talking about an immortal messianic individual, but of the concept of the Mashiach itself as it manifests through the generations.
 
King Phenomenon

King Phenomenon

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Harel13 said:
I don't blame you for completely misunderstanding Rabbi Kanievsky. Rabbi Kanievsky is echoing a story from the Talmud in which one of the sages meets the prophet Elijah and asks him where the Mashiach is. Elijah directs him to the gates of Rome, where a band of beggars are sitting. He explains to him how to identify the Mashiach from among them. The sage then asks him: When are you coming? The Mashiach answered: Today! This excited the sage. The next day came, and nothing happened. So he went back to the Mashiach and asked him: What gives? The Mashiach replied: I can only go and bring the redemption when God tells me I can. But I am ready to do this every day.

Rabbi Kanievsky is also echoing an idea expressed by many sages over the millennia, that in every generation there's a person capable of being the Mashiach, a person with the right potential. But the circumstances still haven't been ideal enough for this individual bring about the redemption.

Thus, Rabbi Kanievsky was not talking about, God-forbid, Jesus, but about two deep ideas about the real Jewish Mashiach. He was not talking about an immortal messianic individual, but of the concept of the Mashiach itself as it manifests through the generations.
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Among us today?
I didn’t mention jesus
 
Harel13

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
Power Stone said:
Well I did learn something.
so I guess what the rabbi wrote doesn’t pertain to what I’m talking about. live n learn
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What rabbis say generally does not pertain to Christology, except to explain why it's wrong.
 
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