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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by savagewind, May 30, 2017.

  1. savagewind

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    God allows stumbling, but NO STUMBLING ORIGINATES WITH THE TRUTH.
     
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    I see a mistake. You ask me, "were you" [appointed to teach]. The correct verb form is ARE you being appointed to teach. Correct?
     
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    The I AM. NOT, the I was. LOL
    Never the I was. You should probably begin there. Know it!
     
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    1 Corinthians 12:28 (ESV Strong's) 28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.

    The Bible says, "God HAS appointed", not, 'God IS appointing", correct?
     
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    Maybe you would accept, HAVE you been appointed to teach?
     
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    You have to be kidding me! So, everyone who takes up teaching God's Word from that time (the time the person wrote that) till now is what?
     
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    Maybe you might read better. I do not know! How does anyone know God's mind? How do YOU?
     
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    Teachers of the so-called word of God are selling people sandy lots. Matthew 7:24-27
     
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    It means that if God were to make you aware of some certain truth and by knowing it you would be stumbled, you won't be able to understand what The Spirit is saying.

    Maybe I should define what I think to be stumbled means.
    If you are on a quest to know and understand the truth and you became cognizant of a certain aspect of The Truth which would make you quit your quest, it won't happen that you will know it until you can know it without stumbling over it.
    The Truth is perfect.
     
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    You do as so many people do, upon reading the Bible, you take one verse like Matthew 5:48 and try to build upon it, like trying to build a house without the foundation first, it will not work.

    Have you ever in school your teacher will have you to make a book report on a book.

    What is the first thing you do for your book report?
    Find what the subject and article is about.

    Once you do that, then it makes it alot easier to understand what's being said and done.

    When you mention Matthew 5:48, You need to back up to the beginning of the chapter and pickup what subject is and the article is. Then it comes clear what Matthew 5:48 is actually saying.
    You see alot of people do this very thing, when they read the Bible, they pick out one verse and say, see this contradicts what it says over in this verse.
    Not realizing that those two Verse's maybe in reference to the same thing, but explaining it differently. Which could lead a person to think those two Verse's are contradicting each other.

    Like for say, I said, I will take 3 balls go Thru the whoop. But then in another part, I said I have 4 balls laying on the ground.

    Note I didn't say I had 4 balls to go thru the whoop, I said I had 3 balls go thru the whoop
    And I found 4 balls on the ground, big difference.
    The same with the bible. It may say one thing in one verse, then in one verse another.

    This why by going back to the beginning of the Chapter and pick up what the article and subject is about. Then you will see, that it's not saying what you think it is saying at all.
     
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    What do I think it is saying?
     
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    I think Matthew 5:48 means to honor God's Word 100%. To twist even one small meaning is to put yourself above it.
     
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    Seeing you still do not get it, if you had back up to Verse 20, you would haved found exactly what Christ Jesus is in the talking about in Verse 48, of Matthew Chapter 5.

    Notice in Verse 20 Christ Jesus speaking to the people That except their righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    Now if the people do all these things from Verse 20 - 47, Then people's righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees. Even those Pastor's,Preachers of to day.

    This is when Verse 48 comes in.
    Christ Jesus tells the people, to be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    That by doing all these things will make them perfect as their Father in heaven is perfect.

    This saying of Christ Jesus stands even for those to day. To be wise in wisdom and knowledge.that except their righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of their Pastors, Preachers, shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
     
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    This is a wrong premise.

    Matthew 24:24 (NIV2011)
    24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

    God allows even those from His Elect to be deceived. However, God will make sure that those from His Elect, that is His sheep to be saved in the end.
     
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    No God does not let those of his Elect to be deceived, No God said ( if it ) were possible. Does not mean they will be deceived, it means they could be deceived, but they can't be deceived.

    It's like saying, if it were possible for me to cross the Bridge I would. but since the bridge is too old to cross.i can't.

    Therefore, If it were possible for God's elect to be deceived they would. But since God's elect can't be deceived, The elect won't be deceived.
     
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    Not true. God allows me as His Elect to be deceived and that I lost money to a deceiving theft.

    We are literally deceived before we are Christians. Once in a while I believe that Christianity is false. What matters however is that I am saved in the end.

    This is how this reality works, everyone may have a chance of being deceived successfully. What matters is not the moment when he's deceived, say, to sin. What matters is that in the end he's saved. Only Jesus can stand the temptation of Satan without failure. Everyone fails once in a while, here and there, falling into the deceptive traps of the devil. They stumbled but in the end will be saved as long as they endure with their faith in Christ.
     
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    If your God's elect,As you say you are, then explain what Christ Jesus means here in the book of Mark 13:11--"But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what you shall speak, neither do you premeditate, but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak you, for it is not you that speak, but the Holy Spirit"

    When does this all take place.
    Notice Jesus said, ( in that hour ) what is this hour According to the bible, scriptures?
    Notice in Verse 12--" Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son, and the children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death"

    Who is death, what is the name of death. Who is he?
     
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    This has nothing to do with if you can be tempted and deceived. You'd rather answer if you are infallible why do you need Jesus at all!
     
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