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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by savagewind, May 30, 2017.

  1. Faithofchristian

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    Ok.Your Welcome
     
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    You have my permission to give me some feedback about Matthew 28:19.

    But, first please keep in mind that I do not agree with THEM that to preach, teach and baptize is for making people do something. I think that it is for giving people the attention they deserve.

    I don't believe that a believer in Jesus Christ must be his disciple because a disciple is actually a person who belongs to The Christ. They are with him and are going where he is going. A person need not go with him to be for him.
     
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    A disciple is just a person who follows Christ.
    First back up to Verse 16 here we find the eleven disciples and as you read on down to Verse 19, Christ saying to the eleven disciples Go you therefore, and teach all nations.
    Many people take this to mean anyone and everyone. But is this truly the case.

    When in fact from Verse 16 to Verse 19, Christ is clearly speaking to his Eleven disciples in Verse 19.
     
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    That would make God stupid. Wouldn't it?
     
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    Please define "follow".
     
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    In what way would that make God stupid ?
     
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    If like you say Jesus was directing the order only to the eleven disciples, why did God have the writer write it down for us?
     
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    To define "follow" would be a person that follow another person.

    In this case, The eleven disciples were to follow the teachings of Christ and go out teachings nation to follow what the disciples were taught by Christ.
     
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    Think again. The disciples were to teach by Christ to make disciples according to you.
     
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    Big time SIGH.
     
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    So that we would have witness of his word, that Christ indeed sent the eleven to teach all nations.
    That the eleven disciples were not just sent to Israel, but unto all nations to teach them
     
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    It seems you know this, so please share it. Jesus didn't say a whole lot. Much of what he said was descriptive. Can you share with us what it means that a person follows a description?
     
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    It didn't work, for your information. Now, I trust that every will of God actually works.
     
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    Christ said that he was only sent to Israel.

    But that doesn't mean, that Christ can not send others to teach other nations. And that is exactly what Christ did, When Christ sent the eleven disciples to go teach all nations.
    So if someone comes to say, Didn't Christ say that he was only sent to Israel.

    Yes that is right, but Christ never said that he couldn't send others to other nations ?

    So Christ told the eleven disciples to go teach all nations.
     
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    You are off track. It isn't about the command to teach and I believe in that. It is about the command so called to make disciples.

    A person can be good for the will of God without being taught by Jesus. < Do you call this true or false?
     
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    Is it true or false that a person can do good for the will of God but not be a disciple of Jesus?
     
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    Yes, to follow Jesus means to follow him. But, what does it entail to follow someone? @Faithofchristian
     
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    If a person is not taught by the teachings of Christ then how can they be a disciple of Chirst.
    To be a disciple of someone, they would follow what that person will say and do.

    You can not be disciple of someone and go about doing your own thing.

    The 12 disciples were followers and do What Christ was teaching them.

    If anyone is to become a follower of Christ they will follow and do the teachings of Christ, Therefore becoming a disciple of Christ's
     
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    I understand that and I do not disagree. But I believe to be a disciple is to be taught by him not only to be taught by his teachings.
     
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    I am sure it is why the writer used the word "DISCIPLE".
     
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    @Faithofchristian do you believe Jesus can teach you or is it only what he is said to have said that can teach you?
     
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