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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by savagewind, May 30, 2017.

  1. savagewind

    savagewind Something, not nothing
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    People say it all the time. They teach that if you believe their way, which is God's way, you won't be misled but only if you stick to their way. I am amazed beyond belief that you do not know that.
     
  2. savagewind

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    If only people could possibly hear what is being said! I have never said that there is any fault in what Jesus has said.
    There is fault in what people have said Jesus said.
     
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    Why do you care what people say? You can easily verify the words of Jesus from the NT. If they don't exist there as his words, then you can just ignore what people say.
     
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    Look, if people say something ALL the time, you should be able to find several places on the web where the words saying that exist. So just give us a link to one such a place. If you can't find even one reference, then stop saying people say all the time that 'God will not let you be misled'.
     
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    Ironically it's usually ex-cheisti
    Its an inference to such, happens all the time on the forums. It isnt direct, they mean, my pastor/rabbi/priest is correct, etc
     
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    OK then, this inference is wrong. God allows humans complete freewill, so that they can be misled by evil or stupid people, if they don't learn to think for themselves.

    So nothing special about Adam, it could have happened to anybody. Of course, the whole OT is suspect as 'true' scripture, it has more contradictory/illogical stuff than any other religious book. Best to stick to the actual words of Jesus from the NT.
     
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    I don't know any scripture that says God would not allow a worshipper to be misled. God allows them not to be, but the scriptures place the responsibility on us. 1 Timothy 4:16, 2 Peter 3:16-18.
     
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    savagewind,
    You are misquoting people or are not understand properly, what the Bible actually says. At Psalms 12:6,7 we are told that God WILL protect His words from all generations, Isaiah 40:8, 1Peter 1:25. If the message of the Bible is changed, it is no longer God's words!!! Does that mean that no translations will have wrong meanings or errors, in the text??? NO!!! What the Bible is saying is; God will not allow His true message to mankind, be lost. This is that reason that we should study the Scriptures in several different translations. There will be mistakes in all translations, because man is not capable of translating the whole Bible without a mistake, BUT, all translations will not have the same mistakes, so a comparison of different translations will show the mistakes. Remember, the Bible tells us to search for truth as we would search for hidden treasure, Proverbs 2:4.
    God is going to judge this world by the things written in His Holy Bible. God will not allow truth to be lost, otherwise He could not judge mankind, by His written word, John 12:48.
     
  9. savagewind

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    Isaiah 40:8 does not say that the written word will stand forever. If YOU were searching, you would know that. Do some searching!

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    Strong's Hebrew: 1697. דָּבָר (dabar) -- speech, word

    Is anyone still able to reason? YOU say that the "words of God will never be lost". Can you see me finding words other than YOU have found? If it is me who is right, then the meaning was not lost to me just like it is written.
     
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    By the way, Jehovah's Witnesses, YOU say that God's will is that you search for the true meaning of God. You do not! You employ the faithful and discreet slave to do it for you. @12jtartar
     
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    If all the words attributed to God have come without any change of meaning then why, oh why, has somebody written that we are to search for it?
     
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    Psalms 12:6

    6 The sayings of Jehovah are pure;+They are like silver refined in an earthen furnace,* purified seven times.

    Psalms 12:7

    7 You will guard them, O Jehovah;+You will protect each one of them from this generation forever.


    First of all,c׃אִמְרָתִֽי has been translated singular or plural so we really can't know which it is in this instance.

    See here: Strong's Hebrew: 565. אּמְרַת (imrah) -- commandment

    Secondly, please see that some mighty minds have translated Psalms 12:7 "them" to refer to the people who God will guard, NOT to the words.

    See here: Psalm 12:7 You, LORD, will keep the needy safe and will protect us forever from the wicked,

    So now.......Please explain how if Psalms 12 is referring to the written words of God how anyone who doesn't know them by heart can be enjoying the protection of God by אִמְרָתִֽי


    YOU have changed the meaning of the Psalms. YOU say it means Jehovah is for protecting God's own words instead of Jehovah is for protecting the people putting their trust in God's promise.

    Jehovah has made a promise that if you will hide yourselves but for a little while, you will be delivered safely out of The Wrath of God. Isaiah 26:20 That promise stands. See Psalms 12:7


    20 Go, my people, enter your inner rooms, And shut your doors behind you.+Hide yourself for a brief momentUntil the wrath* has passed by.+21 For look! Jehovah is coming from his place To call the inhabitants of the land to account for their error, And the land will expose her bloodshed And will no longer cover over her slain.
     
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    I can hear people thinking that if some of the words were changed how can I expect to be protected if I hide?

    I don't!

    Am I hiding? LOL
     
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    You who teach that knowing God's words is your protection should probably realize what that means for all the people who don't know them and that you are putting your faith in them to save you.
    Are the words of God your savior/s?
     
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    Aren't you sinning by putting "your own opinion" in the book called, "the Word of God? Isn't it just your opinion that the Bible isn't true?
     
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    It is not my opinion that meaning has been changed. It WAS changed.
    Disciple at Matthew 28:19 seems to have been written as a VERB. The modern Bibles write it as a NOUN.

    4198 [e] poreuthentes πορευθέντες having gone V-APP-NMP
    3767 [e] oun οὖν therefore, Conj
    3100 [e] mathēteusate μαθητεύσατε disciple V-AMA-2P

    V is for verb. Tell us why you won't look it up!

    The other place where meaning was changed is at Proverbs 3:5

    Why not admit it? Is it because you do not want to start over?
     
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    God says it is because they are afraid of mountains falling. LOL
     
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    Or........quick sand. hahahahaa
     
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    To be honest, I can't believe that the oldest version The World was not changed from what was heard of God and written down. But, it is a FACT that what we have was changed from the oldest copies that we know.

    Perhaps the reason why you can't see that fact is a fulfilled prophecy. Mark 8:18

    Also, that you are OK with the changed version, which was changed by a human, is you trusting in humans.

    Is that a good idea?

    I suppose I am devilish to think it is funny that you who defend it to your death don't even trust in it to obey it.

    Psalms 146:3
     
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