Maybe Communist China ought to realize who's actually playing with fire.

[amorphous_constellation]

No. Communist aggression must be challenged.

We can not have another world war without the whole world turning into an ash heap. Is there something about that you don't understand

 

[exchemist]

I know China is well aware of the consequences on their part as well.

It's a game of chicken and psychology is the best weapon on our part at this stage of the game.

With that view, I'm willing to bet it's a good game of posturing to further test the Biden administration to see if the Communists can go further than ever if he backs down which it would be a horrible thing if he did.

Anyways there is still the Taiwanese act to supply them with protection and let's give them some serious teeth.

My heart goes out to the Taiwanese people.

And your wallet, too? Wars are expensive.

 

[Twilight Hue]

We can not have another world war without the whole world turning into an ash heap. Is there something about that you don't understand

You don't let bulllies have their way. You make your stand and make it a tough one.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And your wallet, too? Wars are expensive.

Same goes for all parties. It's more expensive to let a very bad regime take a foothold.

 

[exchemist]

Same goes for all parties. It's more expensive to let a very bad regime take a foothold.

That's what they said about Afghanistan.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

You don't let bulllies have their way. You make your stand and make it a tough one.

That doesn't solve anything dude. Not when the whole world turns to ash. Your attitude reminds me of my little brother , who gets charged with battery for bar fights

How is your spirituality informing your view here?

 

[Brickjectivity]

How would we defeat China?

The same way it would defeat us. First force a surrender, then exchange citizens and force intermarriage, forging a permanent fusion of two countries. Do it like Alexander the Great or don't do it at all.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's what they said about Afghanistan.

Which is why the troop pull out is a very bad move.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That doesn't solve anything dude. Not when the whole world turns to ash. Your attitude reminds me of my little brother , who gets charged with battery for bar fights

How is your spirituality informing your view here?

I'm not entirely a pacifist only because the world itself by nature is not passive, so realistically am more prone towards the philosophy behind Bushido, which mixes passive nature and aggression to create hopefully, a proper balance.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It would be fun to see PRC aircraft shut down.
But then death & destruction would follow in Taiwan.
I'd expect attacks on our military too.

No not necessarily. We shot down soviet fighters in the past during the heyday of the USSR.

They pulled back after that and went to the table.

There are also those skirmishes between India and China that were addressed without major war erupting.

 

[Revoltingest]

The same way it would defeat us. First force a surrender, then exchange citizens and force intermarriage, forging a permanent fusion of two countries. Do it like Alexander the Great or don't do it at all.

Without nukes, China wouldn't surrender.
They have a conventional military advantage in their own front yard.

 

[Revoltingest]

No not necessarily. We shot down soviet fighters in the past during the heyday of the USSR.

They pulled back after that and went to the table.

Which conflict are you talking about?
(Their fighters also shot down many of ours.)
I see no connection between aerial dogfights & negotiating peace.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Without nukes, China wouldn't surrender.
They have a conventional military advantage in their own front yard.

Nobody would surrender, and what we tend to underestimate is how cold and contrived that government is. It will create the pretext for a war if it will help establish its legitimacy to its people. Taiwan and the S China Sea are pretexts for a war. What it seeks, like all aggressors, is a swift victory followed by negotiations. It doesn't seek a protracted war, but it will spill blood to legitimize itself.

Offer to evacuate Taiwan, now, even if we don't go to war. Work it out with allies, finding places for the refugees to live. This Mainland will not like and will be an embarrassment to the authority of their government...to its legitimacy.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Another winning strategy is called Scorched Earth. You leave, but you destroy everything behind you.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because of freedom. It's always worth protecting.

When was the last time the American military protected freedom?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Which conflict are you talking about?
(Their fighters also shot down many of ours.)
I see no connection between aerial dogfights & negotiating peace.

I can't seem to find the story anymore, maybe it was the Mandela effect taking hold here. ;0]

I could of sworn I had read the account of the incident somewhere.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Another winning strategy is called Scorched Earth. You leave, but you destroy everything behind you.

Patton. Should be henceforth be known as the Patton strategy.

 

[Revoltingest]

I can't seem to find the story anymore, maybe it was the Mandela effect taking hold here. ;0]

I could of sworn I had read the account of the incident somewhere.

The US has fought MIGs in the east before.
Both sides lost planes.
But air superiority has waned as a factor in war due to MAD.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The US has fought MIGs in the east before.
Both sides lost planes.
But air superiority has waned as a factor in war due to MAD.

It was over a buzzing of a US warship best I can remember.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Patton. Should be henceforth be known as the Patton strategy.

This would be different, because the citizens of Taiwan would need to be citizens somewhere new. Allies would have to adopt them whole hardheartedly. I suggest a new kind of fast track citizenship, possibly a multi-national citizenship. They'd also need help to get started and thrive, so it is an expensive strategy in more ways than one. Still it is better than world war.