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I heard a Georgia state Republican voting official openly blame Trump for the loss of their two Republican Senators.
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And who is to say that it is "liberals" proposing this. Quite a few true conservatives abandoned the Republican Party when it became the Party of Trump.
I'm just reading posts in RF.
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It could be. There is no real difference between the far right and the far left.
Oh my! Trump supporters are just a branch of antifa!
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I know. I figure an ignored member is behind them.
I didn't say that all "true believers" engage in that particular sort of violence. But I do maintain that people, of every political or religious alignment, who strongly believe without reason, can and will do irrational things. But not all irrational actions are violent. Watch the socialist NDP in Canada vote in Parliament -- perfectly legal, but often plain nuts.
Someone having policy ideas you disagree with is quite different than them violently storming a government building because they disagree with an election result.
I don't know how you got my point so wrong. I've never spoken about policy ideas here -- I'm very comfortable with good folks arguing policy, and even not being able to disagree.
I have been talking about BELIEF. Belief without evidence, like for example Trump's claim that "I won by a landslide." He didn't. Determining the winner of an election is a remarkably easy thing -- the person who got the most number of votes is the winner. So, when Trump gets 8 million votes less than his opponent, and maintains the claim that he won by a landslide -- that is a belief not founded in evidence. Just like a child's belief that Santa will bring him presents and the Tooth Fairy will provide cash.
I'm perfectly clear on that point.
What I don't understand is the equivocation between armed rioters breaking into Congress and people having ideas that are "nuts." Or did this:
"Watch the socialist NDP in Canada vote in Parliament -- perfectly legal, but often plain nuts."
...mean that the Socialist NDP in Canada has armed standoffs with police inside Parliament?
Did I not make that clear? I know that I did, so I don't know why you keep insisting on going to armed combat -- which I have not claimed.
I have said: our beliefs inform our actions. That means that our beliefs can inform all sorts of actions -- from armed riots to trying to save lives, from voting for tax cuts for the rich to voting for an unsustainable increase in the minimum wage.
Please don't try to trap me in your particular mindset. I'm satisfied with my own.
Optimist.
Is THAT ever a mistake.
If your point is simply that actions are informed by beliefs...yes. Obviously. No one here is disputing that.
Your original claim was a false equivalence between the Left and the Right. That's what I questioned. No one is trying to trap you into anything. I questioned your claim about the Left, and your example of what the NDP proposes in Parliament, as far as I can tell, is not equivalent to storming a government building in protest of an election. Which is the whole topic of this thread. So if the NDP is up to violent shenanigans that I don't know about, that's what I was asking you to clarify. Sounds like that's not the case, which is why the examples are not equivalent.
Social media proved me wrong... I never said I was perfect.
Social media proved me wrong... I never said I was perfect.
Ah yes, social media, font of eternally accurate information!
Pictures didn't lie. Can I help it if he posted incriminating fotos?
Look, no Democrat in the house or Senate, nor any Republican either (nor, indeed, any NDP member in Canada's Parliament) resorted to violence. But they all do what they do guided by their beliefs. Their followers on the outside do so, as well, but often with less self-control. And yes, the left in Canada (as in the US) has often enough erupted into violence. And this is no less true of the right in either nation.
Part of the issue we're looking at right now is that the leaders -- in Congress (or in the past, not today, in Parliament in Canada) -- have swayed their adherents to act out in ways that those members of Congress and Parliament could not do. That's easy -- there's lots of people out on the street that can be rallied into a mob. Again, on both sides of the left-right divide. All that takes is belief -- and a hint from those they look up to.
And that is what I lay at Donald Trump's feet today. That is what he has done, and he has done it with full knowledge and deliberation.
Sorry, who's '"he?"
Sorry? Did you read the last paragraph?
If your goal is to defend Trump as the champion of truth, honor and justice, why not get on with it?
...huh? Trump is lying scumbag.
You're confused. I was replying to Ken, not you.