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Lunar year or Solar year?

firedragon

Veteran Member
Lunar year or Solar year?
The Quran has cited the word “Day” or “Yawm” in its singular form exactly
365 times from cover to cover. The singular word for “Month” or “Shahr” is
mentioned exactly 12 times in the Quran indicating the year has 12 months.
Writing a book with some 6,346 verses while containing the number of times
you mention a particular word to represent a significant fact like 365 days a
year in itself is impossible by human effort, especially 1400 years ago with no
computers.

Yes, Muslim apologists use this to try and prove that Quran is a miraculous
revelation and only God could have created it. Keeping that aside, the irony
is, the same clerics or apologists who use the Quran to prove that Islam is the
true faith do not themselves follow the Quran, the Muslim calendar as
followed around the world is a Lunar Calendar.
The Lunar calendar is believed to predate 10,000 BC whilst the Solar
Calendar or more accepted as the Gregorian calendar is known to be the
reformed version of the Julian calendar born in 65 BC. Of course, a 365 day
solar calendar could not have been comprehensible in the ancient world
because it is not observable, Lunar calendar is easily observable because you
can watch the moon from full moon to full moon. Science has advanced and
we now know that the earth takes 365 days to revolve around the sun and if
we are still living in the ancient world it is regression, not progression. While
the Quran gives clear proof of the fact 1400 years ago, we have also been
given the knowledge by human advancement. With this knowledge, which
calendar should we adopt?

The world always has been with human beings investigating science and
technology. We are people of science and we always have been. It is man’s
nature to try things out and create a science out of what he finds. Therefore,
Muslims must take that step to shed unscientific beliefs and move forward. If
a cart is left without thrust on a hill it is bound to regress.

The world revolves around the sun while revolving around its own axis -
Quran.

 And He is the One who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the
moon, each swimming in an orbit with its own motion. – Quran 21:33
The last word in the above verse is “Yasbahoona” means to imply that you
are moving in your course with your own motion indicating that the Sun and
the earth has its own course while having its own orbit.

 The sun is not required to overtake the moon, nor will the night precede the day;
each of them is swimming in its own orbit. – Quran 36:40
Recent scientific research has found that the Sun is travelling towards a point
called Solar Apex. Solar Apex is the point the Sun is pursuing in the Milky
Way while it orbits.

This is already cited in the Quran 1400 years ago.

 And the sun runs to a specific destination, such is the design of the Noble, the
Knowledgeable. – Quran 36:38

If you consider all the above verses in context, you can see that the Earth and
the Sun are swimming along in orbit while having their own orbits whereas
the Sun has its own path of rest that it is chasing (Solar Apex), and it shows
the earth is following the Sun in orbit, the Quran is that scientific. Solar Apex
was a find of the 20th century while the Quran was a revelation older than
1400 years. It is hunky dory to use these verses to prove the divinity of the
Quran etc. But why not go the whole nine yards? Why stop there and follow
something else? Why not follow the Quran you so vehemently venerate?

By mentioning the word “Day” 365 times, “Month” exactly 12 times and the
explicit explanation of the Sun and the earth’s orbit, it is clear proof that the
calendar the Quran follows is the Solar Calendar.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Lunar year or Solar year?
The Quran has cited the word “Day” or “Yawm” in its singular form exactly
365 times from cover to cover. The singular word for “Month” or “Shahr” is
mentioned exactly 12 times in the Quran indicating the year has 12 months.
Writing a book with some 6,346 verses while containing the number of times
you mention a particular word to represent a significant fact like 365 days a
year in itself is impossible by human effort, especially 1400 years ago with no
computers.

Yes, Muslim apologists use this to try and prove that Quran is a miraculous
revelation and only God could have created it. Keeping that aside, the irony
is, the same clerics or apologists who use the Quran to prove that Islam is the
true faith do not themselves follow the Quran, the Muslim calendar as
followed around the world is a Lunar Calendar.
The Lunar calendar is believed to predate 10,000 BC whilst the Solar
Calendar or more accepted as the Gregorian calendar is known to be the
reformed version of the Julian calendar born in 65 BC. Of course, a 365 day
solar calendar could not have been comprehensible in the ancient world
because it is not observable, Lunar calendar is easily observable because you
can watch the moon from full moon to full moon. Science has advanced and
we now know that the earth takes 365 days to revolve around the sun and if
we are still living in the ancient world it is regression, not progression. While
the Quran gives clear proof of the fact 1400 years ago, we have also been
given the knowledge by human advancement. With this knowledge, which
calendar should we adopt?

The world always has been with human beings investigating science and
technology. We are people of science and we always have been. It is man’s
nature to try things out and create a science out of what he finds. Therefore,
Muslims must take that step to shed unscientific beliefs and move forward. If
a cart is left without thrust on a hill it is bound to regress.

The world revolves around the sun while revolving around its own axis -
Quran.

 And He is the One who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the
moon, each swimming in an orbit with its own motion. – Quran 21:33
The last word in the above verse is “Yasbahoona” means to imply that you
are moving in your course with your own motion indicating that the Sun and
the earth has its own course while having its own orbit.

 The sun is not required to overtake the moon, nor will the night precede the day;
each of them is swimming in its own orbit. – Quran 36:40
Recent scientific research has found that the Sun is travelling towards a point
called Solar Apex. Solar Apex is the point the Sun is pursuing in the Milky
Way while it orbits.

This is already cited in the Quran 1400 years ago.

 And the sun runs to a specific destination, such is the design of the Noble, the
Knowledgeable. – Quran 36:38

If you consider all the above verses in context, you can see that the Earth and
the Sun are swimming along in orbit while having their own orbits whereas
the Sun has its own path of rest that it is chasing (Solar Apex), and it shows
the earth is following the Sun in orbit, the Quran is that scientific. Solar Apex
was a find of the 20th century while the Quran was a revelation older than
1400 years. It is hunky dory to use these verses to prove the divinity of the
Quran etc. But why not go the whole nine yards? Why stop there and follow
something else? Why not follow the Quran you so vehemently venerate?

By mentioning the word “Day” 365 times, “Month” exactly 12 times and the
explicit explanation of the Sun and the earth’s orbit, it is clear proof that the
calendar the Quran follows is the Solar Calendar.
Salam

Do you count them , I personally count I find day is 217 , today is 41, so all = 285 NOT 365 .
And month words are just 4 not 12

So they are wrong :)
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Salam

Do you count them , I personally count I find day is 217 , today is 41, so all = 285 NOT 365 .
And month words are just 4 not 12

So they are wrong :)

Brother, I really cant believe that someone will take the time to go through the Quran like that. You have to be a unique person to have done that and I commend you for that. Very well done.

You asked me if I counted them. No, my neighbours daughters family pet told me. (Pun intended) . ;)

1. The word Shahr is cited more than 4 times only in Surah Al Baqarah, in fact 5 times. In total, 12 times in the whole book.

2:185, 217, 192
5:2, 9:36, 34:12, 46:15, 97:3

Maybe you could check out all the verses. 12 times within 8 verses you can see plainly.

2. I dont know how you ended up with 285. But I appreciate the time you have put into it. But if you count again, you will see that the singular word yawm as "day". I wonder. Okay, so whats the word you counted? I really cant figure out how you counted 285, though I tried. The word count is exactly 365 without taking ayyam, yawmayni and third party references.

Because you concluded "So they are wrong"

Whats the word you counted for "day". I am curious to know.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Brother, I really cant believe that someone will take the time to go through the Quran like that. You have to be a unique person to have done that and I commend you for that. Very well done.

You asked me if I counted them. No, my neighbours daughters family pet told me. (Pun intended) . ;)

1. The word Shahr is cited more than 4 times only in Surah Al Baqarah, in fact 5 times. In total, 12 times in the whole book.

2:185, 217, 192
5:2, 9:36, 34:12, 46:15, 97:3

Maybe you could check out all the verses. 12 times within 8 verses you can see plainly.

2. I dont know how you ended up with 285. But I appreciate the time you have put into it. But if you count again, you will see that the singular word yawm as "day". I wonder. Okay, so whats the word you counted? I really cant figure out how you counted 285, though I tried. The word count is exactly 365 without taking ayyam, yawmayni and third party references.

Because you concluded "So they are wrong"

Whats the word you counted for "day". I am curious to know.

I used Arabic Quran engine search http://www.alawfa.com/
Sorry I was post the wrong result from that website !

I search for word " Youm/day" I thought it's 217 , it's 451 .
http://www.alawfa.com/Go.aspx?keyword=يوم
then I search for word " alyoum/The day" mentionned 75 times
http://www.alawfa.com/Go.aspx?keyword=اليوم


Shahr (month ) mentionned in Quran 20 times .
http://www.alawfa.com/Go.aspx?keyword=شهر

and Al-shahr (the month) mentioned in Quran 4 times
http://www.alawfa.com/Go.aspx?keyword=الشهر
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I used Arabic Quran engine search http://www.alawfa.com/
Sorry I was post the wrong result from that website !

I search for word " Youm/day" I thought it's 217 , it's 451 .
http://www.alawfa.com/Go.aspx?keyword=يوم
then I search for word " alyoum/The day" mentionned 75 times
http://www.alawfa.com/Go.aspx?keyword=اليوم


Shahr (month ) mentionned in Quran 20 times .
http://www.alawfa.com/Go.aspx?keyword=شهر

and Al-shahr (the month) mentioned in Quran 4 times
http://www.alawfa.com/Go.aspx?keyword=الشهر

Well brother, at least you went and searched a source, not cut and paste from the internet. Thus, I really appreciate that.

Yawm is the word for day alright. Bit it will be written in different ways. Liyawmi, wayawmi, yawma, yawmi etc. Thats to say a day, and a day etc. Al Yawma is the day, yawma is a day. Wayawma is and a day.

You cant really count the word usage like that brother. If you take total usage it will be 475.

Count the times the usage of the word in its single form to refer to a day, it will be 365. You will have to do it mannually I suppose. The single usage. And every instance it refers to a day. Not like an idiom that says "The day of the Jackal". Or the plurals.

Nevertheless I appreciate your thinking. If you wanna do the same search in the Alawfa link you provided you will have to do about 18 separate searches.

Cheers.
 
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