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no i asked for examples of punishment for those who do not seek HaShemRenaldo said:JS, please do not humour me. Here are some examples of God punishing/cursing man
in the Bible that you ask of.
the examples you give from the Torah don't fit this category because the Israelites didn't have to seek HaShem. The connection had already been made and the covenant accepted by them.Renaldo said:But many a time in the Bible, God has punished those who do not seek Him.
again here HaShem is saying He will act like a parent, punishing and rewarding...Renaldo said:(Deuteronomy 8:5-6) "You should know in your heart that as a man chastens his son, so the LORD your God chastens you. {6} "Therefore you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him
Chasten-To correct by punishment or reproof; take to task.
i don't see that this has anything to do w/ hell...Renaldo said:The Bible teaches that at the end of the world all the wicked will come under eternal punishment in a place called Hell. "I will heap calamities upon them and spend my arrows against them. I will send wasting famine against them, consuming pestilence and deadly plague; I will send against them the fangs of wild beasts, the venom of vipers that glide in the dust.
Deuteronomy 32:22-24
Deut. 32: 18 - 19 said:Of the Rock that begot thee thou wast unmindful, and didst forget G-d that bore thee. And HaShem saw, and spurned, because of the provoking of His sons and His daughters.
well i guess i won't be seeing eternal life then:bonk: :sarcasticRenaldo said:Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.
John 3:36
Oh hell isn't punishment? What do they do down there then? Play Twister?jewscout said:i don't see that this has anything to do w/ hell...
as i have stated before...i don't believe in Hell in the christian senseRenaldo said:Oh hell isn't punishment? What do they do down there then? Play Twister?
We are not talking about your beliefs JS, we are discussing God punishing in the BIBLE.jewscout said:as i have stated before...i don't believe in Hell in the christian sense
you seem to assume that i do...
yes perhaps this is better placed in another thread...Renaldo said:We are not talking about your beliefs JS, we are discussing God punishing in the BIBLE.
And BOTH of us have gone majorly off topic. I may have started it, but..oh well.
..I know where.jewscout said:yes perhaps this is better placed in another thread...
Another simple question. Evil exists only because God allows it to exist. He lets evil touch us but not to the point where we cannot overcome it. Read 1 Corinthians 10:13. God is called the refiner that refines us as silver. Silver is refined in very specific heat. Too little and it does nothing to change the character of the silver. Too much and it destroys it. He keeps the heat at the precise point until he can see his reflection in the silver. Then it is ready. Be ye perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect. He lets evil work that refinement in us until we become like Him. A very beautiful process; but Satan was allowed to push Job that far only because God knew Job could take it. Satan only has power insofar as God allows him to have power.Renaldo said:In the book of Job, why did the Lord allow Satan to curse a man? Why
did the Lord give in to Satan's requests?
Most of you would know this passage, but I will quote it anyway.
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD
Please give opinions/beliefsfacts etc.