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Lord answering Satan

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Malus 12:9, Jun 17, 2005.

  1. Malus 12:9

    Malus 12:9 Temporarily Deactive.

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    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    no i asked for examples of punishment for those who do not seek HaShem

    the examples you give from the Torah don't fit this category because the Israelites didn't have to seek HaShem. The connection had already been made and the covenant accepted by them.

    Exodus 35 - punishment for breaking covenant
    Amos - punishment for breaking covenant
    both quotes from Deut. - warning of punishment for breaking covenant
     
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    Malus 12:9 Temporarily Deactive.

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    (Deuteronomy 8:5-6) "You should know in your heart that as a man chastens his son, so the LORD your God chastens you. {6} "Therefore you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him

    Chasten-To correct by punishment or reproof; take to task.

    As much as I fear a PM from a certain member stating I am unethical, I shall continue:

    The Bible teaches that at the end of the world all the wicked will come under eternal punishment in a place called Hell. "I will heap calamities upon them and spend my arrows against them. I will send wasting famine against them, consuming pestilence and deadly plague; I will send against them the fangs of wild beasts, the venom of vipers that glide in the dust.
    Deuteronomy 32:22-24

    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.
    John 3:36
     
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    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    again here HaShem is saying He will act like a parent, punishing and rewarding...

    i don't see that this has anything to do w/ hell...
    again it is another warning about punishment of the Israelites turning from Him...

    well i guess i won't be seeing eternal life then:bonk: :sarcastic
     
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    Malus 12:9 Temporarily Deactive.

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    Oh hell isn't punishment? What do they do down there then? Play Twister?
     
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    Malus 12:9 Temporarily Deactive.

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    Jewscout, we can continue going back and forth, or seeing as you have attempted
    several times to state that this is not a worthy discussion, close the thread.

    I don't care either way.
     
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    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    as i have stated before...i don't believe in Hell in the christian sense

    you seem to assume that i do...
     
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    Malus 12:9 Temporarily Deactive.

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    We are not talking about your beliefs JS, we are discussing God punishing in the BIBLE.

    And BOTH of us have gone majorly off topic. I may have started it, but..oh well.
     
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    Guys, I think you need to cut down on the testosterone.
     
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    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    yes perhaps this is better placed in another thread...
     
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    :D ..I know where.
     
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    Another simple question. Evil exists only because God allows it to exist. He lets evil touch us but not to the point where we cannot overcome it. Read 1 Corinthians 10:13. God is called the refiner that refines us as silver. Silver is refined in very specific heat. Too little and it does nothing to change the character of the silver. Too much and it destroys it. He keeps the heat at the precise point until he can see his reflection in the silver. Then it is ready. Be ye perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect. He lets evil work that refinement in us until we become like Him. A very beautiful process; but Satan was allowed to push Job that far only because God knew Job could take it. Satan only has power insofar as God allows him to have power.
     
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    Malus 12:9 Temporarily Deactive.

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    "For evil to triumph, it requires that good people do nothing" quote seems to ring
    a bell..
     
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