Looking for Scripture Explicitly Forbidding Same-Sex Marriage

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Sex is a part of being married and making babies. Having a family - that is the agenda of being married.

Says who?

The purpose of a marriage is defined by the couple. Who are you to decree what someone else's marriage should be about?

The bible is not silent on this part - men having sex with men - the bible says they will not inherit the kingdom of God so if they will not inherit the kingdom of God where will they be?

To make this relevant, you would need another passage that says that only people who will inherit the kingdom of God are allowed to marry. Is such a verse even in the Bible?

Looking for Scripture Explicitly Forbidding Same-Sex Marriage

Romans 1:26-32 New International Version (NIV)

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

So those are Scripture Explicitly Forbidding Same-Sex Marriage

Again: not really relevant. You're arguing for why the Bible considers homosexuality sinful. Unless you have some passage about how sinners aren't allowed to marry, the answer you're giving isn't to the question that was asked.

 

[Skwim]

Sex is a part of being married and making babies. Having a family - that is the agenda of being married.

Certainly not exclusively so. Many couples marry with no intention of having children. And quite a few married couples with children wish they never had them.

Looking for Scripture Explicitly Forbidding Same-Sex Marriage

Romans 1:26-32 New International Version (NIV)

Romans 1:26-32(NIV)
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.


28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
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Hmmm, guess you should keep looking because there isn't thing-one here forbidding same-sex marriage.

So those are Scripture Explicitly Forbidding Same-Sex Marriage

I'm beginning to believe you're incapable of reading and reasoning at the same time. In fact, I don't think you even know what "Scripture Explicitly Forbidding Same-Sex Marriage" means.

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[MJFlores]

Certainly not exclusively so. Many couples marry with no intention of having children. And quite a few married couples with children wish they never had them.

Romans 1:26-32(NIV)
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.


28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
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Hmmm, guess you should keep looking because there isn't thing-one here forbidding same-sex marriage.


I'm beginning to believe you're incapable of reading and reasoning at the same time. In fact, I don't think you even know what "Scripture Explicitly Forbidding Same-Sex Marriage" means.

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Why do you think people (man and woman) marry?
Why did I marry? Are you married?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why do you think people (man and woman) marry?
Why did I marry? Are you married?

So you're married? How does your spouse feel about you reducing marriage to a breeding arrangement?

 

[MJFlores]

So you're married? How does your spouse feel about you reducing marriage to a breeding arrangement?

That's funny.

Tell me why do people get married?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's funny.

Tell me why do people get married?

Depends on the couple.

 

[columbus]

Tell me why do people get married?

Because the overwhelming majority of people will have the best life as a partner in a mutually supportive, exclusive, and committed team of two.
Primitive notions about marriage are not as conducive to a good life. Old ideas like "officially sanctioned breeding pair" or "man acquires an all-purpose domestic appliance and woman acquires a permanent meal ticket for herself and offspring ". Lots of things have improved concerning morality. This is one.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Why do you think people (man and woman) marry?
Why did I marry? Are you married?

Yes I am married, and we are both male.
We recently got the right to have our marriage recognized by the government. Religious organizations are still trying to retard the progress of morality, but that isn't a new thing.

Tom

 

[MJFlores]

Yes I am married, and we are both male.
We recently got the right to have our marriage recognized by the government. Religious organizations are still trying to retard the progress of morality, but that isn't a new thing.

Tom

There is a singer who did great at Glee Glee (TV series) - Wikipedia
She is a great talent, great voice and I love her sing
She became a lesbian about 4 years ago at the height of her popularity.

Her relationship with her girlfriend ended just recently.
Charice confirms breakup with girlfriend Alyssa Quijano

Well relationships come and go even with homosexuals and heterosexuals. But the thing is, the bible is loud against same gender sexual relationships

I love Barry Manilow, great singer. In fact I grew up with his music like Somewhere down the Road and Copacobana.

But even my favorite singers have been gay, I still like their music - that is all. What is written many centuries ago, is written and it will stand until kingdom come.

 

[columbus]

But the thing is, the bible is loud against same gender sexual relationships

Evidence enough that it is the product of morally primitive humans.

If the Bible weren't so much louder about much more important things there would be no reason to think any of it has anything to do with God.
Tom

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well relationships come and go even with homosexuals and heterosexuals. But the thing is, the bible is loud against same gender sexual relationships

So in a society where acceptance of non-hetero relationships is a given, it has nothing opposing same-sex marriage.

On the same-sex marriage question, the options aren't "same-sex marriage" and "LGBT couples don't exist". Your choices are:

- same-sex marriage, and
- same-sex committed relationships that aren't considered marriage.

Everything else is the same between those options.

So what does the Bibie have to say about THAT choice? Do you have any verse that says that God prefers gay people to be unmarried?

Your arguments so far have centred on some idea that God doesn't want gay people to exist at all, but that isn't an option under discussion. It's just same-sex marriage or not.

Either way, gay people will still exist.

Either way, gay people will still have sex.

Either way, gay people will have relationships.

Any argument that focuses on any of these things is irrelevant to the question at hand.

Wait - they're irrelevant except for one type of argument: if you want to argue that same-sex marriage should be denied in order to punish same-sex couples, then your argument might be logically valid. Ethically garbage, but maybe logically valid. Is that your position?

 

[MJFlores]

Well if it works for you, good luck.

But for me, I'd rather strive for eternal life.

We have the first transgender congressman
First transgender politician wins seat in Congress

But even with the first transgender congressman, the President of the Philippines rejects such law from being passed in the country.
Duterte rejects same-sex marriage for PH

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

But for me, I'd rather strive for eternal life.

Does marriage exist in heaven?

 

[columbus]

What is written many centuries ago, is written and it will stand until kingdom come.

Except the parts you disagree with apparently.
Like the Quran.

What makes you qualified to be God's Spokesman?
Tom

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I think God has a University somewhere, though I hear it may be a scam, with other people doing the talking, not the Name on the Sign, and people end up spending a lot of money to hear something stupidly obvious.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well if it works for you, good luck.

But for me, I'd rather strive for eternal life.

And you think that a gay person who's in an unmarried relationship is in a better position for eternal life than a married gay person?

 

[MJFlores]

And you think that a gay person who's in an unmarried relationship is in a better position for eternal life than a married gay person?

A gay person who does not do the detestable acts (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13) and who follows the will of the Father in heaven - has equal chances in obtaining eternal life.

I hope they could have eternal life but what is written is written. 1 Corinthians 6:9

At the end of time, it will be God who will be the judge of all. Romans 2:16

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

t the end of time, it will be God who will be the judge of all. Romans 2:16

But you've already signed on to Paul's judgement. Why not let people who aren't hurting anyone live their lives and let God sort it out later? I think some homophobes are going to awaken to those big pearly gates, the golden roads, the jeweled buildings, and freak when some Queen is running things.

Be fierce, God, be fierce.

 

[columbus]

A gay person who does not do the detestable acts (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13) and who follows the will of the Father in heaven - has equal chances in obtaining eternal life.

That or
Your Faith in the morally primitive people who wrote those ancient texts is misplaced. They were humans who shared your biases, but they didn't have any special connection to God.

You are willfully misrepresenting God because of your pride. That might turn out to be a bigger issue on Judgment Day than my having a partner I have sex with. (Once in a great while)
Tom

 

[MJFlores]

That or
Your Faith in the morally primitive people who wrote those ancient texts is misplaced. They were humans who shared your biases, but they didn't have any special connection to God.

You are willfully misrepresenting God because of your pride. That might turn out to be a bigger issue on Judgment Day than my having a partner I have sex with. (Once in a great while)
Tom

You could do whatever you would want. You are in a free country not in Russia. But if its the Bible we are talking about ....