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Life

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Jimmy, Jun 21, 2021.

  1. Jimmy

    Jimmy Well-Known Member

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    To believe that all of existence has always been around and the life we know is only a tiny tiny little fraction in that infinite time span seems far-fetched. If I did believe that, I would probably believe that after life is gone it would happen again way way down the road but what are the odds of that? So life is just once? It just seems like a sloppy scenario, once twice etc. I think the creator would be a little more efficient with his plan. I do believe this life does happen over and over but in a much shorter span of time and also infinitely. To me that would be genius at work and much more plausible.

    -life is fleeting

    If existence always was then why would this MIGHTY, ‘always was’, existence stop for a brief moment and create life that withers and dies in no time? Doesn’t add up in my opinion. I guess the MIGHTY, ‘always was’, existence had an off 4 billion years. Haha, well as they say no ones perfect.
     
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  2. Stevicus

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    I think about these things sometimes, but in the end, it's all just speculation about things we haven't really figured out yet. All we really know is that we're here in this place, floating on some ball of mud inside an air bubble circling a star - along with some other planets. A lot of space in between, so we're not going to be going anywhere that easily or quickly.

    I honestly don't know what this place is, or if there's any significance or purpose to our existence as humans. Some people think there is significance to it all, and that we were created in the image of a sentient being who is said to have created the entire universe. I don't really believe that myself. In any case, I don't think anyone really knows for sure, nobody can really prove anything, and how would they prove it anyway? It's a dead-end argument from the very start.

    If there is some kind of sentient entity which somehow created this place we call "the universe," including our own beloved blue ball of buffoons we call home, then I don't how much we could speculate on possible motives - or even if there was any motive. Maybe all this was unintentional - or perhaps the result of some experiment that went awry.

    Considering the utter vastness of the universe, with billions of stars in our galaxy - and billions of galaxies as far as our technology can see - I can't see that our existence here on Earth has any real importance within the overall equation. Even if our leaders decide to go crazy with the nuclear button, or even if we eventually cook ourselves to death with global warming, the universe will still continue. Our existence is really just a blip. If there was any kind of "plan" or "design" involved, our existence as humans would likely be quite inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
     
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    The mere fact we are able to ask these questions is a miracle, in my opinion.

    For what it’s worth, I do think the Universe has a divine purpose, but good luck fathoming that out. The challenge for us humans, may be in figuring out where we fit into that purpose. We could start by treating each other, and everything in the tiny fragment of space and time we occupy, with love and respect.
     
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  4. Brian2

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    God has told us that and shown us that He loves us and wants us to have a relationship with Him.
    You don't need to speculate, the evidence is there, as is God's call.
     
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    But that's the point, we don't see any evidence of this.
    Yes, we've heard countless arguments, but all are flawed; presumptuous or circular. Do you have anything substantive to support your assertion, here?
     
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  6. SalixIncendium

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    You're assuming two things here:
    1. This being creates and is mighty.
    2. Time is linear.
    Perhaps remove the qualities in the first and consider that time may be cyclical or not exist at all and then reconsider the question.
     
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    SalixIncendium अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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    No, people have told us that God told us and has shown us that he loves us and wants us to have a relationship with him.
     
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    I don't know about you, but no entity called "God" has told me a thing. Hearsay is not evidence.
     
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    People have told us that, the people that saw and heard Jesus and knew that He fulfilled the prophecies of the Messiah and was confirmed to be the Son of God by God raising Him from the dead.
     
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    Witness reporting of what Jesus said and did is good evidence and maybe you will hear the call of God one day personally.
     
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    Where science is at now is that the universe began.
    Whether time is linear or cyclical or shaped like a banana it does not matter. There cannot have been an infinite number of cause effect events in the past or we would not be here yet. There had to have been a first cause. That first cause is the creator.
     
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    Are you certain there hasn't been any witness tampering or rewriting of people's testimony?
     
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    Who is we? I know plenty of people who see evidence. I can't give you the evidence you seem to require however.
    Do you believe other things that you have no empirical evidence for?
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Why ask for proof? Sally said so. And Sally does not tell lies.

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    And if you do not agree to a relationship, then eternal hell.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Why no evidence? With the backing of this mighty and loving God? People see many illusions, especially if they have a bug in their mind.
    No I don't believe in things with no empirical evidence. However, one may have speculations, guesses, hypotheses, theories. That does not mean believing.
     
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    Who is to say what the grand scheme of things is? Doesn't the whole consist of all the parts? A screw may see itself as inconsequential, until it realizes it is helping hold the cockpit of the airplane in place. ;)
     
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    And that is only because you are wired to presume agency, and therefore insist that there must be a "why" that is distinct from, and somehow more than, "how".
     
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    There is evidence.
    Considering science does not tell us that God does or does not exist, why don't your speculations, guesses, hypotheses or theories include a God who has given us historical evidence of Himself?
     
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    Well, you're right. Nobody can say for certain. But considering the size and scope of the universe, humans seem microscopic by comparison - and all but completely isolated (practically imprisoned) from the rest of it.
     
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    That is the good thing about not just one but 4 gospels, and Acts and many epistles, the writings of the early Church Fathers and heretics and their quotes from the gospels, and the work of scholars to isolate any alterations, accidental or on purpose.
     
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