Life From Dirt?

[Apostle John]

It's already happened. The final form is in the lower left corner:

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It happens in nature quite frequently. Our existence depended on supernova explosions, which seeded our nebula with heavy elements that were forged during those explosions, and also caused a compression wave to initiate star formation. Also, the Big Bang was not an explosion. It was an expansion of space, it's still occurring, and its accelerating.

There's pretty good evidence it did if by God you mean the Abrahamic god. They made a few mistakes and described a logically impossible god, not to mention one already ruled out by the evidence supporting evolution theory. The god of the Christian Bible doesn't lie or deceive. If evolution didn't occur, the only logical possibility left is a deceptive intelligent designer whose fraud was discovered with falsification of the theory.

Firstly, your picture is evidence that you babble.

No one has seen a star in space being born.

The Big Bang is a model, it hasn’t been proven to have happened and it postulates going from absolute chaos to order, similar to an explosion creating something.

Finally, the Christian God is the living Creator God and the evolution theory is bunkum, man did not originate from apes.

 

[Heyo]

 

[101G]

Finally, the Christian God is the living Creator God and the evolution theory is bunkum, man did not originate from apes.

Agreed, but the creator allowed animal and plant evolution in adaptation, or Micro-evolution. supportive scripture, Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:12 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good."Genesis 1:13 "And the evening and the morning were the third day."

Genesis 1:21 "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:22 "And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth." Genesis 1:23 "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."

so adaptation, and diversity God allowed on this planet. the diversity and the adaptation of all life is God guided. how do we know this? scripture, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

were is a past tense verb that describe a past tense event, and the term Any-Thing, which means, "in any way : at all". which support Biogenesis, instead of Abiogenesis.

101G.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

your picture is evidence that you babble.

LOL. I thought it was funny. I was just accused on another thread of having no imagination.

No one has seen a star in space being born.

I have, and so have millions of others. The Orion nebula is a stellar nursery visible to the naked eye. Stars are being born there as we speak.

The Big Bang is a model

Yes, and a very successful one. It is correct in the main. How do we know? Confirmed scientific prophecy. The model makes very specific and unlikely predictions which have been confirmed.

it hasn’t been proven to have happened

And it never will be. Nor need it be. It just needs to account for what is observed and make accurate predictions about what can and will be observed. It does that.

Besides, you're a theist. Your standard for belief isn't proof. It isn't even evidence. It's faith, or the willingness to believe uncritically. Moreover, could you recognize a proof as such?

it postulates going from absolute chaos to order

Your science is faulty. Entropy, a measure of disorder, has been increasing since the Big Bang: "At the moment of the Big Bang, almost all of the entropy was due to radiation, and the total entropy of the Universe was S = 10^88kB. On the other hand, if we calculate the entropy of the Universe today, it's about a quadrillion times as large: S = 10^103kB"

the Christian God is the living Creator God

I have no reason to believe that. Neither do you.

evolution theory is bunkum

The theory is correct beyond reasonable doubt. The only other possibility is an extremely unreasonable one: a deceptive, superhuman intelligent designer whose fraud was discovered with a falsifying find.

man did not originate from apes.

Man is an ape as have been his ancestors for millions of years, although a case can be made that he's sufficiently different from the other apes to be thought of as branching away from them the same way that apes emerged from the Old World monkeys. The other apes are all arboreal, brachiators, herbivores, and lack intellect (symbolic reasoning as with language and mathematics).

 

[icehorse]

Man’s imagination didn’t make God and cannot ever say how the world came into existence.

I disagree with both of those claims

 

[Apostle John]

I disagree with both of those claims

You will have to make do with being the green man “late to the party”. That will be for worshiping the green man or similar idol, along with your atheist chums.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes. All the evidence points towards us living in a simulation.
Are the Programmers Gods?

/s

I don't know about that. How would you falsify the simulation hypothesis?

 

[icehorse]

we tend to forget that we as creatures intelligently invent and create things. are we following a pattern that was set by God? we limited, ... create, make things. so who is to say there is someone GREATER who creates on a bigger scale. we make cars, trains, and airplanes, and we set rules on how they operate. is this intelligent design? remember, we're living in a created world, and not the "REAL" WORLD.

101G.

I've noticed a few times on this thread that you often make unfalsifiable claims. By their nature, that sort of claim cannot meaningfully be discussed, and is often divisive in nature

This is also a message for you @Apostle John

 

[Subduction Zone]

Addressing the OP,
Correct, Abiogenesis vs Biogenesis.
Biogenesis means making new living things. Abiogenesis, sometimes called spontaneous generation, means life coming from non-living things.

Example, there is nothing spontaneous about plants. understand, seed are none-living, (reproducing), until activated by water, and, as said in your topic dirt/Ground is applied. water is everywhere in the universe as well as soil/dirt, or dust. now scripture, Genesis 1:9 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." Genesis 1:10 "And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:12 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:13 "And the evening and the morning were the third day."

this is not spontaneous generation here, but intentional. by bring dry land into contact with water/moisture with seed already "CREATED" reproduced a "Living Thing". here called plants. so now the question comes, was the Water living, or the dry dirt living, or the seed? neither, but when brought in combination dot all produce a living thing? answer NO. the Life of all things are in the invisible, or Quantum world, which gives life in this world. now the next question, whom or what created the Quantum world, and ACTIVATED" reproduction in this world? and who is the "ACTIVATOR?". An activator is a substance or a protein that makes another substance or a gene active or reactive, induces a chemical reaction, or increases the activity of an enzyme or a gene product. so the question again, who made, allowed the substance to ACTIVATE?.... answer God.

101G

Spontaneous generation is totally different from abiogenesis. Spontaneous generation is actually a creationist belief that modern small "simple" creatures, some would even include mice, arose spontaneous. Abiogenesis does not say that at all. Abiogenesis is a hypothesis that explains how the first extremely simple life arose naturally. No magic involved. Even the so called simplest life that we see today has an evolutionary history of billions of years. It is far from simple.

And one thing about the Genesis myth. Even though it is on purpose it is also an abiogenesis myth. It was life from nonlife. Your God is not alive in the same sense that life is living. Living things can and always have died. If you are claiming that God is alive, at least in a biological sense you are also claiming that he can die.

Now a myth is nice. It is a lot of fun. What is your evidence for it? Why should anyone else believe your myth? Personally think the myth of the creation by the FSM is much more believable And he has a better heaven. So why not believe that one?

 

[Heyo]

I don't know about that. How would you falsify the simulation hypothesis?

The same way @URAVIP2ME would falsify his god hypothesis.

 

[icehorse]

If I have it right: DNA/ RNA/ Protein components show that life can't spring from non-living matter.

No such conclusions have been drawn. In general, it's very difficult to prove that a specific thing cannot happen

 

[URAVIP2ME]

No such conclusions have been drawn. In general, it's very difficult to prove that a specific thing cannot happen

Thank you for your reply. So then ' known science ' is what can't prove a specific thing cannot happen.
To me that would also mean it's very difficult to prove that a physical resurrection cannot happen.
Adam's start was 'dirt' but life was superimposed on formed non-living Adam when God blew the breath of life into Adam. (Gen 2:7)
At death Adam simply returned to 'dirt' non-life and so do we.
Just because we can't restore life or never saw a resurrection then that does not mean it cannot happen.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

we tend to forget that we as creatures intelligently invent and create things. are we following a pattern that was set by God? we limited, ... create, make things. so who is to say there is someone GREATER who creates on a bigger scale. we make cars, trains, and airplanes, and we set rules on how they operate. is this intelligent design? remember, we're living in a created world, and not the "REAL" WORLD.

101G.

To me the "REAL" WORLD is still ahead of us.
Or, as biblically promised a future and and a hope - Jeremiah 29:11
A ' time to come ' is the ' real world ' - 1st Tim. 6:19
Mankind has a ' date with destiny ', so to speak, because the powers in charge will surprisingly turn on the religious world.
The Bible has patterns and its patterns are showing the time is now ripe for the harvest time of separation - Matt. 25:31-34,37
'Sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth ' will rid the Earth of man's corrupted created world around us. - Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-15
Then, mankind will see the "REAL" WORLD when there will be global ' healing ' for earth's nations as promise at Rev. 22:2
Earth and its people will be happy-and-healthy as described in the 35th chapter of Isaiah.

 

[gnostic]

If I have it right: DNA/ RNA/ Protein components show that life can't spring from non-living matter.
Even in a science lab, who represents the scientist or lab tech in using what they use, or in trying to use.

And that claims are perfect example as to why you are so poorly educated in biology.

Proteins or DNA/RNA, carbohydrates, lipids, by their individual selves are non-living matters!

This is failure of you and every single creationists cannot bloody grasp.

Proteins are “not living” matters...but they are “biological macromolecules” or organic compounds.

Nor are either nucleic acids - RNA & DNA are “not living” matters - however they are “biological macromolecules” or organic compounds.

The different types of carbohydrates, are by themselves are “not living” matters, but they are “biological macromolecules” or organic compounds.

And it is the same with the different types of lipids; they are non-living organic compounds.

What you called “living matters” are CELLS, URAVIP2ME. Cells!!!!

Cells are living matters.

Inside these cells are these essential biological macromolecules (proteins, DNA, RNA, complex carbohydrates & lipids) that organic in composition and in nature, but are only considered “living” when they are INSIDE the cellular wall or membrane. These macromolecules provide functionalities to living cells.

So I like to stress that each of these biological macromolecules are themselves, especially proteins and nucleic acids, are made of other “organic”, but otherwise “non-living” compounds.

For instance, each protein is made of sequence of amino acids. Amino acids are made of non-living organic compounds, and when they sequenced together in a biopolymer, they are make up certain types of proteins.

Another example, DNA is made of three different components of organic compounds or molecules that form the nucleotide. The components of nucleotide -

• pentose sugar or 5-carbon sugar component that are backbone of nucleotide -
  • ribose sugar for RNA
  • deoxyribose sugar for DNA;
• phosphate component -
  • AMP (adenosine monophosphate)
  • ADP (adenosine diphosphate)
  • ATP (adenosine triphosphate);
• 4 nitrogenous components or 4 nucleobase compounds -
  • adenine
  • cytosine
  • guanine
  • & either thymine for DNA or uracil for RNA

These are all organic compounds that are non-living, but each of them provide functionalities that make each “cell”, “living”.

 

[Hold]

Maybe life sprang from dirt 3.5 billion years ago though abiogenesis but I’m beginning to seriously doubt it. The God theory is sounding more and more plausible.

• Some scientists speculate that biological matter may have proliferated across the cosmos itself, transported from planet to planet on wayward lumps of rock and ice. This idea is known as panspermia, and it carries a profound implication: Life on Earth may not have originated on our planet. In theory, panspermia is fairly simple.

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[101G]

I've noticed a few times on this thread that you often make unfalsifiable claims. By their nature, that sort of claim cannot meaningfully be discussed, and is often divisive in nature

This is also a message for you @Apostle John

no they can, but most without world assessment.

101G.

 

[101G]

Spontaneous generation is totally different from abiogenesis. Spontaneous generation is actually a creationist belief that modern small "simple" creatures, some would even include mice, arose spontaneous. Abiogenesis does not say that at all. Abiogenesis is a hypothesis that explains how the first extremely simple life arose naturally. No magic involved. Even the so called simplest life that we see today has an evolutionary history of billions of years. It is far from simple.

And one thing about the Genesis myth. Even though it is on purpose it is also an abiogenesis myth. It was life from nonlife. Your God is not alive in the same sense that life is living. Living things can and always have died. If you are claiming that God is alive, at least in a biological sense you are also claiming that he can die.

Now a myth is nice. It is a lot of fun. What is your evidence for it? Why should anyone else believe your myth? Personally think the myth of the creation by the FSM is much more believable And he has a better heaven. So why not believe that one?

Nonsense......you said, "Spontaneous generation is actually a creationist belief that modern small "simple" creatures, some would even include mice, arose spontaneous". arose? from where? something LIVING or NON-LIVING, which one?

101G.

 

[101G]

To me the "REAL" WORLD is still ahead of us.
Or, as biblically promised a future and and a hope - Jeremiah 29:11
A ' time to come ' is the ' real world ' - 1st Tim. 6:19
Mankind has a ' date with destiny ', so to speak, because the powers in charge will surprisingly turn on the religious world.
The Bible has patterns and its patterns are showing the time is now ripe for the harvest time of separation - Matt. 25:31-34,37
'Sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth ' will rid the Earth of man's corrupted created world around us. - Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-15
Then, mankind will see the "REAL" WORLD when there will be global ' healing ' for earth's nations as promise at Rev. 22:2
Earth and its people will be happy-and-healthy as described in the 35th chapter of Isaiah.

agreed. this world is coming to an end.

101G.

 

[101G]

to all the science based posters. question, "is what we call matter .... is it real?" or, what we see, touch, smell, and hear are all electrical impulses in our brains. meaning light converted into electrical impulses for the brain to interpret as ..... what we call real object?

10G.

 

[icehorse]

no they can, but most without world assessment.

101G.

Can you say more about discussing unfalsifiable claims and "world assessment"? I'm not sure I understand you. thanks