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Featured Lies and Phony Caricatures of Christianity

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by usfan, May 28, 2019.

  1. Wandering Monk

    Wandering Monk Well-Known Member

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    Still tilting at windmills.
     
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    Somebody has to stop those damn windmills!!

    :D
     
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    That claim is ridiculously hilarious. Sorry but I can't take this guy seriously now.
     
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    sooda Veteran Member
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    Of course I defend Muslims.. Most of them are just like us.
     
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    Bible archaeology is an outdated and skewed effort to use archaeology to "prove" the Bible. Archaeology has to stand on its own without prejudice.
     
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    There are mythical creatures in the bible does this not prove the bible as myth? Unicorns are in the bible.
     
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    "Founder"

    Who is this founder, name him please? Is it Jesus or Paul, please?

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    i have read and seen where some archoelogists use the bible as a ways to locate a river or once they found pompei or another roman city twin cities that were similar to Pompei and used the bibles description of sodom and gomorrah. They thought maybe Sodom and gomarah could have been base don that.

    Historians have used the bible as resource. But that's because the places in the bible are true, the holy land, etc etc , certain events people like Pontius Pilate and other places in the bible are real so the bible can be used in the way it describes certain places to find certain rivers that type of thing.

    But it does not make the stories true. Its still a mythical story. But there is info on uh like ,,maps to deserts that type of thing you can use the bible for.

    Its not a true story but the bible is good. Its good info in it for living and spirituality but not literally true, But the maps that type of thing have been used.
     
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    Pompei is nowhere near Jordan or the Dead Sea.
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    This is a false trilemma. It doesn't include the most plausible explanation for what we now have. Legend.

    Lord, Liar, Lunatic, Legend.
    None of this was at all documented until many years, decades even, after the events. And then, the earliest Christian writings were from Saul of Tarsus, who never even met Jesus. Styling himself an Apostle doesn't change the facts.

    There is no doubt that Jesus existed. It was a fairly common name in 1st century Judea. The question is how closely did any of the many Jesus's match the Gospel accounts.

    The thing about historic figures like Alexander the Great and Ceasar is the huge evidence for their existence. Even if we didn't have records of their names, the effects changed history. Hellenic culture exploded across the Middle East, and Hellenic kingdoms were established, within a few years.
    Not so for Jesus. He went virtually unnoticed, despite the hugely dramatic events described in the Gospels. There are virtually no records of His existence predating Paul. Given the drama described in the Gospels, "recorded" decades later, I cannot believe that the supernatural parts even happened.
    Was there a Jesus who was executed for anti-Roman treason? Sure. Was He a social reformer? Probably, there were lots of them then, just as now.

    Did He Rise from the Dead, after being publicly and brutally executed amidst great portents, and appear to hundreds of people across Judea, without this being noticed by zillions of people?
    Not so much.

    The most plausible explanation for what we have is that His followers made up the legends afterwards for their own purposes. Then, a few centuries later, Roman emperors commissioned a group of bishops to pick the Christian writings/legends that best supported their ambitions. Define all the other various and sundry beliefs and scriptures as heresy.
    And traditional Christianity came to be.

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    Does it seem to you that Peter and Paul were rivals, not friends?

    An Introduction To The Book Of Romans | Bible.org
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Yes.
    In fact, I think that an important secondary reason for writing the Gospels was to tell the story of Jesus and make it clear that "Apostle" Paul wasn't part of it. He never even met Jesus, regardless of claims to being an Apostle.
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    I wonder why Christians believe the Bible needs to be proven? I thought it was all about faith.
     
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    Did Hitler become a Muslim by accepting Islam as the truthful religion or he remained a Christian, please?

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    Most parts of one's post are close to reality.
    Regards
     
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    Well that settles it, then. I mean, what is 2000 years of biblical scholarship, compared to a web site? :D
     
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    Well, i never knew the guy, but as near as i can tell:
    Neither.

    He was a chameleon, and mostly intrigued by the occult.

    But really.. you think he was a bible thumping Christian, driven by mandates in the bible, to do his dastardly deeds?
    :shrug:
     
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    If the bible is not historically accurate, the accounts lose credibility, and there are no facts for faith to rest on.
     
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    Legend is a prejudicial leap. It is not based on evidence or history.

    Sure, people can believe that, but it is a smear.. a dismissal to avoid the hard facts.

    If you pick 'legend!', then all of the nt is a lie, Jesus never existed, the nt is a fabrication. All this, with no evidence.. all real evidence is contrary to this prejudicial belief.

    'Legend!' is not a rational conclusion. It is blind dismissal, in the face of overwhelming evidence.
     
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