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RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Your argument?
It's a verse that says life begins in the womb
Please show the reasoning you used to reach that conclusion.
Include in your dissertation a response to the counter-argument that the verse refers to God's foreknowledge of future events, and thus does not necessitate any conclusion that life begins in the womb.
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RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
To me all it's talking about is foreknowledge. God foreknows everything. God knows who will live and who will die. God permits that babies die. Babies die. Why go on a crusade for it?
Psalm 139 doesn't say that life begins at conception either, it says that God works in conception. It doesn't say life begins there.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Well, that sort of limits God's foreknowledge to only when he creates something. Right?
God is life. There fore all his works are of life.
How, he always knew his soul would be ready to be placed in the womb. Simply him knowing that soul would one day be created means life begins even earlier.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Where does it say that?
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Where is that in Scripture? Now you're just pulling things out of *youknowwhere* to say.
So man is pre-existent?
Super Universe
Defender of God
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." This means that God knows every soul before it connects with a sentient being. He knows the unique personality traits that it has but, like an infant, the souls need experience to develop into Sentient Universal Beings.
"Before you were born (on the earth) I set you apart." This means that the soul is a fragment of God. I set you apart from Myself.
"I annointed you as a prophet to the nations." This means that certain humans, in this case Jeremiah, have information to convey to others about the true nature of God and the universe.
"Before you were born (on the earth) I set you apart." This means that the soul is a fragment of God. I set you apart from Myself.
"I annointed you as a prophet to the nations." This means that certain humans, in this case Jeremiah, have information to convey to others about the true nature of God and the universe.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Do you think this hints that we existed in spirit form before our conception? That would be interesting.
Magus
Active Member
Were-ever 'nations' appear in the Bible, that is gowy they are referring to the area around Greece
and it's really says '
' I ordained thee a Nabi from Greece '
'Nabi' as in the prefix of Nebuchadnezzar whom toppled
the Persian colony city of Tyre
Nebuchadnezzar is a code-name for Alexander the Great whom freeds
the people from Persian oppression
(M) LK (NB) KDNSR
(M) LK (NB) SNDRS
LKSNDRS
and it's really says '
' I ordained thee a Nabi from Greece '
'Nabi' as in the prefix of Nebuchadnezzar whom toppled
the Persian colony city of Tyre
Nebuchadnezzar is a code-name for Alexander the Great whom freeds
the people from Persian oppression
(M) LK (NB) KDNSR
(M) LK (NB) SNDRS
LKSNDRS
Or
"before I formed you I knew you" implies God had a clear concept of the kind of person He wants to make before forming that person in the womb... just as an artist has a clear concept of the figure he wants to make before starting to work on the marble block. No preexisting soul is meant. Neither is there any hint that a person fully exists at conception. The idea of "forming" shows that the entire span of the womb is needed to create the person.
"before you were born I set you apart".. Here God is claiming that He has specifically designed the future destiny of this person to be specially elevated from other humans.
The last section shows that this elevation is occurring in the role of Prophet that God is set as the destiny of the person.
Thus you are refuted.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Fun fact: Verses are only meaningful to those who actually believe that the bible is the "word of god."
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
It would also mean that god has planned out everything for us, and knows ahead of time if a fetus will be born or if for one of many different reasons it won't. It seems to imply that life doesn't begin in the womb, but rather beginning only for those gametes that god has already decided will fully develop as a fetus and be born.
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