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Law and pedophilia

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I wasn't the one insinuating you're ignorant about the topic. And good for you, that you can turn off your emotions about it? :rolleyes: You're just not going to get me to have "compassion" for people for like that..
Fine, but it applies to all things, there are no exceptions if one actually wants to understand even the most horrible of behaviours and/or crimes. One has to let go of any attached emotions so as to function properly. In my opinion, that is. I'd have compassion for those who might be caught up in paedophilia, didn't want such, and find themselves with no solution to their problems - other than the ones you might suggest. That is why I say we need more accurate information, and hopefully coming from research into such things. I obviously don't have compassion for all though - those who knowingly choose to harm others, and especially those least likely to be able to defend themselves against such (like children), for example.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure where you're getting your conclusions from honestly.
Things that you keep writing, obviously. I swear I am not trying to be obtuse, I just don't think you are being very clear, or are bringing ideas into the mix that you don't seem to really be wanting to talk about.

A lot of people think that people who are attracted to children have addictions based on the object of attraction (the child). They can't "just" be attracted to children, but need to have something wrong with them to justify their attraction.
I suppose one could find themselves with a sort of one-off attraction to a young person who possesses particular traits or something - but that person isn't who we are talking about when we use the word pedophile. That word is used to describe someone for whom the preferred target of their sexual attraction is children. So, if anything, I would assume that a pedophile is as addicted to their sexual thoughts about children as my mind is about adult heterosexual females - which is quite a bit. My psychology and physiology expresses a "need" (granted, it isn't this, but what I am saying is that the human body/mind combo expresses it as such) for sexual gratification. I am attracted to adult female human beings. Therefore, my mind mulls over sexual activity with the object of my attraction quite often - whether that be memories, fantasies, whatever. If all this sounds like "too much" and is an uncomfortable topic, believe me, it is probably 10 times worse than you think - and this is very, very likely the same sort of scenario we are talking about with the mind of a person whose object of sexual attraction is children. They are thinking about this, mulling it over, and their mind (and body) is bringing these thoughts to the fore pretty consistently when various levels of hormones or whatever triggers come into play.

How does the object attraction determine whether a person has urges to commit a crime and additionally need help for it.
It doesn't, however don't we do the same sort of pre-emptive chin-scratching and committing to memory people's other strange and consistent mentions of criminal behaviors that they have not yet committed? Do you see what I am getting at? If a person walked around talking about robbing banks all the time, and let on that they thought about robbing banks quite a lot, and then they confided to you that they thought it would be really, really fun and gratifying to rob a bank - what would you think about that person? What types of behaviors might you then be watching out for in their future? Same with murder. If someone let on in subtle ways that they thought murder seemed like an enjoyable thing to do, and you understood that they were constantly thinking about it, is that not, at all, a reason to perhaps have some concern? Perhaps warrant some increased scrutiny? Have we not, as a society, been bitten in the butt enough times yet with these sorts of "warning signs" playing out in some percentage of the people who display them? Could the process of "getting help" to these people, to try and get them out of these potentially dangerous mindsets not start sooner perhaps?

How does the object of attraction determine the nature of the attraction and whether it's an addiction for some and not for others?

In other words, how does being attracted to children determine if someone has the urge or addiction to molest a child while others who have an attraction to an adult do not.
One thing I would say about this is that of all the people who have molested children, very likely none of them were unattracted to children. And so you have on your hands a numbers game. A certain percentage of people who are sexually attracted to children are going to take their desires into the realm of action. How do we determine who is going to do this and who isn't? Is that ultimately your question? The answer to that is, it's something we should obviously be working on. If there is, ultimately, no way to determine this at all, then all you have after that is knowledge of who has these thoughts and who doesn't... and so who to keep your eyes on and scrutinize the actions of. We would do this easily with any other criminal thought patterns. As I said before - someone thinking about robbing banks all the time, or committing murder. if we knew that about them, would you, personally, not be concerned enough to watch out for them around, for example, a bank? If a person who constantly divulged that they thought it would be cool to rob a bank asked you along with them on a trip to the bank, are you telling me that it wouldn't cross your mind while there to wonder if they were planning something? Or a person who you knew consistently thought about murdering people - if they got into a heated argument with someone they already didn't like, would it not cross your mind that perhaps they might do something more than just argue given a chance like that?

True. I was just saying there's no inherent connection. Many people make an inherent connection between child attraction=child molestation. In post #15 I was telling Felino that's not always the case.
Yes, some people don't commit the actual crime. Doesn't mean they aren't thinking about it. Not by a long shot. And so, finding ways to determine who is willing/capable of turning to that crime and who isn't is not an idea we should just shelve because you say so.
 

NewGuyOnTheBlock

Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
In fact in this thread we are discussing whether it is allowed to express one's urges towards children.

And the answer to that is "no". That should be a given.

So, the ones who consider themselves non-offending pedophiles, need to understand that the law is pragmatic .
The law has the main aim to prevent crime.
Not only to punish crime.
It is a sex drive that we could analyze...but not tolerate. In my opinion.
What do you think?

How does one criminalize a thought or feeling?
"Attraction" is not "Intent".

Unfortunately non-offending pedophiles usually (but not always) consume porn material, which is illegal in any country.

You have a source to validate the claim that "non-offending pedophiles usually consume porn material?" And I notice that it is "porn material" that you mentioned; which includes all porn, not just the illegal stuff. I certainly hope that a Juror has the wherewithall to support their claims with evidence.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Yes, some people don't commit the actual crime. Doesn't mean they aren't thinking about it.

I'd have to read the rest later.

How does the age of ones attraction determine if one is thinking of a crime but that same attraction to say the adult of the same sex does not?

How does the object of attraction determine whether there is potential criminal activity involved?

To me that's like people with homophobia saying gay people only want sex and straight people want love based solely on the sex of the other person.

What's the connection that's not based on externals like age, gender, sex, race, and the like?
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
What do you think?

I think I'm stating the obvious, but in the right climate a politician could campaign on a platform of addressing child abuse by forcing Paedophiles to be publicly identifiable so they can be humiliated, attacked by mobs in the street, have their homes and possessions destroyed, or forcibly relocated in cattle trains to concentration camps and exterminated in gas chambers. It's one of those rare instances where I think we'd go along with it if we felt we could get away with it.

Collectively, we couldn't care less about what happens to paedophiles or child abusers as long as they don't get near our kids. If the Qanon conspiracy theories about child sex abuse ever gained enough influence and power to be turned in to policy, there is a possibility that some atrocity like this might even happen in my life time. This is a moral panic that everyone can participate in, justify to themselves and the number of people who would hesitate or defend the humanity and rights of paedophiles is going to be incredibly small. Anyone who did so would run the risk of being accused of being a paedophile themselves or having their reputation destroyed in the process.

Our attitudes on Paedophilia are essentially medieval. We'd happily spill blood to protect our children based on the accusation alone, without proof, without evidence, without guilt or responsibility. We'd hurt others without anyone breaking the law or actually doing anything wrong as the mere existence of paedophiles alone is revolting to us and, when we are being honest with ourselves, we don't care about the truth if it conflicts with our preconceptions. I doubt Cops really care to protect the rights of child abusers, a jury is going to presume guilt based on the accusation alone and murders and rapists in prison still think themselves morally superior to the child abusers, often trying to hang them and make their lives a living hell.

It would be so easy if we all let ourselves go with crowds and mobs cheering us on, validating our fears and hatreds, to destroy reputations and to tear people apart. It speaks to something dark, profound and ugly in the human condition that can be tapped in to by the self-righteous and cynical alike for good ends and probably quite a lot of evil ones too.

Regardless of my opinions on child abuse, child pornography and paedophilia, all of which I oppose, I feel uneasy by the sadistic pleasure we'd all get in hurting others the moment this label gets attached to them. It is very singular and noticeable as it sticks out as one area where the rationality of our society is basically non-existent and our commitment to human rights more of a pretence than anything based on any level of empathy and understanding.

Perhaps in time, the conversation will change and people can talk about it. But it would be agony for people to have to revisit their own traumas of child abuse in the process and tantamount to asking victims to "forgive" their abusers and we aren't going to do that. This subject reduces us all to the emotional level of scared children frightened of monsters hiding in the dark or under the bed. Maybe one day we will be able to look at the evidence and make a reasoned conclusion about improving treatments and child safety, but right now it's not a place emotionally anyone wants to visit.
 

NewGuyOnTheBlock

Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
Dr. James Cantor, from Canada, performed brain scans on a small sample of convicted child molesters and found brainwave differences. The research is not conclusive but cracks the door for the very atrocities which you speak.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Dr. James Cantor, from Canada, performed brain scans on a small sample of convicted child molesters and found brainwave differences. The research is not conclusive but cracks the door for the very atrocities which you speak.
But unlike taxi-drivers (apparently) we don't know whether such changes came before or after. :oops:
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Oh, please! None of this "sympathy for pedos" crap. Certain groups are "othered" by society for very good reasons, which protect society and demonstrate clear boundaries for what is acceptable. Do you have sympathy and compassion for serial killers?

I work with kids who, due to the nature of their own experiences with abuse and the environments they grow up in, have a greater potential to become child abusers as well. One of the hardest parts of my job is really knowing what these kids are going through.

Child abuse is horrific and we should be working towards doing what we can to stop it.

But I feel sadness and fear for these kids I work with who may already be abusers and end up as pedophiles. That's empathy. I don't want to see them suffer or make others suffer.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
I'd have to read the rest later.
From what I can gather with your incessant questions, you're stuck thinking about this from some "objective" standpoint. The universal objectivity of LOCAL and SOCIETAL rules DOES NOT MATTER when assessing whether or not one has broken (or an action would be breaking) established law. I need you to understand this before we move on.

For example, let's say there is a stream near you, and the local authority states that each person fishing there needs a license to do so, and even if licensed they are not allowed to catch more than 3 bass per day. I can ask inane questions all day that cast the objectivity of such a law into doubt. Here, let's formulate some now:

1. How does the nature of bass require that only 3 be caught per person, per day?
2. What is it about the nature of this stream that requires that a person have a license before fishing from the stream, else they are deemed to be committing a crime?
3. How does the nature of the fish or the stream determine if one is thinking of a crime when they are contemplating fishing out of the stream without a license, or to more than the allowed number of bass?

Do you see? The above list ISN'T GOING TO PHASE THE AUTHORITIES WHO CATCH YOU in the slightest. You're going to be prosecuted and punished/fined to the extent that the authority is able regardless whether or not you can prove that there is no objective "truth" to their laws and regulations. Do you understand?

How does the age of ones attraction determine if one is thinking of a crime but that same attraction to say the adult of the same sex does not?
Objectively? There is nothing to answer your question. Subjectively? Many of our societies have decided that it is not good for people to go around having sex with kids, and so actions of that nature are outlawed. And so, if you live in one of those societies and you are thinking about having sex with kids, then you are thinking about a crime. Full stop. Simple as that. Please do not misconstrue lack of objective "proof" for something representing some universal "truth" with subjective decisions made about activities of the public, the punishments for which are to be upheld by an authority capable of doing so. Completely different things rendering your silly questions moot except as a vehicle for perhaps over-turning said laws/rules in favor of some better alternative you think you have. Good luck with that is all I can say if that is what you are after. I'd like to be there to speak down on your proposal, so let me know when you plan on doing that.

How does the object of attraction determine whether there is potential criminal activity involved?
Objectively "crime" doesn't even exist. Subjectively, the moment your attraction is to children in a society whose laws forbid you to act on that attraction, then your fantasies or whatever surrounding the object of your attraction are like you fantasizing about robbing a bank. Exactly like that. Granted, you haven't "robbed the bank" yet - but it doesn't change the fact that you are fantasizing about a crime as deemed by your local authority.

To me that's like people with homophobia saying gay people only want sex and straight people want love based solely on the sex of the other person.
What are you talking about? We've already established that a "pedophile" is someone who has SEXUAL ATTRACTION toward younger individuals, right? SEXUAL ATTRACTION. So... not just "love." Just look up any dictionary entry and I guarantee you WILL NOT find one that states that a pedophile is someone looking for platonic love from children. This is just plain strange that you will not recognize this. SEXUAL ATTRACTION. Get it? SEXUAL. SEX. Do you understand? Damn.

What's the connection that's not based on externals like age, gender, sex, race, and the like?
There doesn't have to be one. Again... you're obviously stuck on the objectivity of the situation, and you need to stop. No authority is going to care about the objectivity of certain mandates they have put in place that are answers to clear moral quandaries. And for good reason. The connection is to the laws and mores of the society around you. I, personally, am going to do all that I can to stop someone from trying to have sex with kids, because I can't abide by it. There you have it. Subjectively, I am one of a pedophile's worst enemies. I'm going to stop them if I catch wind of anything. Stop them. Do you see? The answer to your questions is unimportant, unless, again, you feel you have some amazing case for why the laws concerning this sort of activity are unjust and should be overturned. If that is the case, bring it on - as I said, I'll be there to stop you too. Bet on it.
 

NewGuyOnTheBlock

Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
This thread is broken. It conflates "pedophile" with "child molester". It astounds me that it is so unfathomable to so many that someone can live a life "afflicted" (for lack of a better word) with these feelings, and never act out on them.

Imagine that there is someone among us who is struggling with these feelings. Imagine that this "someone" is distressed enough to believe that if they don't talk to someone, they may act out. Imagine that this "someone" reads this thread. Do you honestly believe that this "someone" would seek help for their feelings?

Remember: They haven't done anything yet.

What if they are right -- that without finding someone to talk to, they will act out -- and they decide to act out because Frankenstein will have "no empathy for them" and "what's-his-name" said "they should all be shot down like rabid dogs" and the OP juror has already convicted them of wrongdoing they have not committed, and is ready to lock them up and throw away the key for the "crime" of having feelings and the audacity to admit it to someone so that they can receive the help they believe they need.

Congratulations. Each of you have played your role in endangering the well-being of the children in that "someone's" environment. But each of you are so convinced of your righteous rightness, that you will never, ever accept this.

=========================================================

I answered the phone one day. It was a woman on the other side of the line. As soon as I introduced myself, she said, "I touched my cousin." This phone I was manning was supposed to be a referral service for persons struggling with feelings for children; but it has evolved into a crisis line and as that is where the need seems to be, we evolved to try to meet that need. So the worst case scenario went through my head. I remained calm, however, and asked her, "What do you mean by 'I touched my cousin'?" As it turns out, she touched his shoulders and became highly aroused. She told me in graphic detail what she wanted to do to her cousin. It was neither appropriate nor moral. I told her, "I know you want to. I accept that. But right now, what I want you to do is to take a deep breathe and slow down. Just breathe and relax. These are only feelings; that is all they are. Your shame and your fear of these feelings are what is giving them so much power over you. Now. I know you want to make the right choice. If you didn't want to make the right choice, you wouldn't have called me. So you're not going to do that. Because you know, if you do, you will hurt your cousin and he will remember you the rest of his life with feelings of contempt. You will rip a tear in your family that will never, ever heal. You will harm yourself. You will destroy everything you love and you will lose everything you hold most dear. But none of this is going to happen; because you are a good person with a unique challenge, so let's stay on the line and talk for a while. Okay?" And we did. We chatted about the weather and current events; and when she was calm, we talked at length about placing safety measures into her life, at least for a while, until she could work this out. We talked about not being alone with children; that this time in her life, this was not a good idea for her. I referred her to websites where minor attracted persons who have been through her struggles would help her. I provided her referrals to the smattering of programs that are available. Perhaps I played my role in saving a child from being abused. Perhaps I played my role in saving a family from being ripped in two. Perhaps I saved the future of a woman who reached out to me in desperation and fear.

I answered the phone one day. It was a young voice. He was sobbing so hard that conversation was difficult. He told me he was 14. He told me he had feelings for children. He told me he was scared and disgusted and didn't want to live like this. He said, "I'm on the couch with my dad's gun. It's loaded. Before I do it, I gotta ask you a question. Bruh. Why should I live Bruh?" And It old him: "Because no one who is wiling to give their life to keep children safe would never, ever touch a child. You are not a slave to your feelings. You are stronger than your feelings." And when he was a little calmer, I did the only thing I could do for a minor in our position: I referred him to a forum based in England, started by a teenager, for teenagers, who struggle with these feelings. And when he hung up the phone, he was still breathing.

I have had two calls along the nature of someone who is infatuated with the bodies of children. I let them vent it out, relieve that pressure, experience the relief of being able to talk without being judge. Both times, I had difficulty focusing them away from the erotica a child stirs in them to the bigger picture. Both times, these persons told me that they took pleasure in searching for children in (in their perception) proactive dress. In these two scenarios, I had difficulty reaching them with the "whole person" a child truly is. In one case, I told them a story of a child who was once in my life; who was an amazing, perceptive child. And through her play and her perception, I described how this child brought joy to those around them; including those in distress. I concluded by telling him, "There is so much more to children than their aesthetics. So much more. So much, in fact, that the erotica they invoke in you is really unimportant." He was silent for almost a minute, and he said, "Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. I needed that." In the other case, I had difficulty getting through. So I told him: "You like looking at pictures of children? Okay. Let's try something. If this works, great; if it doesn't and makes things worse, stop and call me and we'll figure something else out. You have my permission to google images of children. But when you do, I want you to try these search words: *Children Laughing* *Children Playing* *Children Crying*; I want you to pay close attention to their eyes and their faces. I want you to imagine what those children must be feeling in that moment; and I want you to try to feel it to. Can you do that? Can you try that?" Maybe; maybe; my attempts helped them see children in a more well-rounded, complete light. Maybe I helped them un-objectify children; and humanize them.

=========================================================

So I am going to leave you guys be to your hard talking, righteous indignation, while deluding yourselves into believing that you are doing something to stop childhood sexual abuse. Since the dawn of mankind, we have lashed out in hate and in fear towards these people. And it hasn't changed anything. It hasn't helped anything. So maybe it's time to try something different -- like separating the people in these calls from those who have crossed the line, and reaching out to them in support and compassion, helping them live harm-free lives; Maybe the sacrifice of having compassion for someone you hate is worth the price of saving a life, a child, a family. Or you can continue to drive them further down the rabbit hole and into silence in fear of you.

The choice is yours.

Good night.
 
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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
This thread is broken. It conflates "pedophile" with "child molester". It astounds me that it is so unfathomable to so many that someone can live a life "afflicted" (for lack of a better word) with these feelings, and never act out on them.

Imagine that there is someone among us who is struggling with these feelings. Imagine that this "someone" is distressed enough to believe that if they don't talk to someone, they may act out. Imagine that this "someone" reads this thread. Do you honestly believe that this "someone" would seek help for their feelings?

Remember: They haven't done anything yet.

What if they are right -- that without finding someone to talk to, they will act out -- and they decide to act out because Frankenstein will have "no empathy for them" and "what's-his-name" said "they should all be shot down like rabid dogs" and the OP juror has already convicted them of wrongdoing they have not committed, and is ready to lock them up and throw away the key for the "crime" of having feelings and the audacity to admit it to someone so that they can receive the help they believe they need.

Congratulations. Each of you have played your role in endangering the well-being of the children in that "someone's" environment. But each of you are so convinced of your righteous rightness, that you will never, ever accept this.

=========================================================

I answered the phone one day. It was a woman on the other side of the line. As soon as I introduced myself, she said, "I touched my cousin." This phone I was manning was supposed to be a referral service for persons struggling with feelings for children; but it has evolved into a crisis line and as that is where the need seems to be, we evolved to try to meet that need. So the worst case scenario went through my head. I remained calm, however, and asked her, "What do you mean by 'I touched my cousin'?" As it turns out, she touched his shoulders and became highly aroused. She told me in graphic detail what she wanted to do to her cousin. It was neither appropriate nor moral. I told her, "I know you want to. I accept that. But right now, what I want you to do is to take a deep breathe and slow down. Just breathe and relax. These are only feelings; that is all they are. Your shame and your fear of these feelings are what is giving them so much power over you. Now. I know you want to make the right choice. If you didn't want to make the right choice, you wouldn't have called me. So you're not going to do that. Because you know, if you do, you will hurt your cousin and he will remember you the rest of his life with feelings of contempt. You will rip a tear in your family that will never, ever heal. You will harm yourself. You will destroy everything you love and you will lose everything you hold most dear. But none of this is going to happen; because you are a good person with a unique challenge, so let's stay on the line and talk for a while. Okay?" And we did. We chatted about the weather and current events; and when she was calm, we talked at length about placing safety measures into her life, at least for a while, until she could work this out. We talked about not being alone with children; that this time in her life, this was not a good idea for her. I referred her to websites where minor attracted persons who have been through her struggles would help her. I provided her referrals to the smattering of programs that are available. Perhaps I played my role in saving a child from being abused. Perhaps I played my role in saving a family from being ripped in two. Perhaps I saved the future of a woman who reached out to me in desperation and fear.

I answered the phone one day. It was a young voice. He was sobbing so hard that conversation was difficult. He told me he was 14. He told me he had feelings for children. He told me he was scared and disgusted and didn't want to live like this. He said, "I'm on the couch with my dad's gun. It's loaded. Before I do it, I gotta ask you a question. Bruh. Why should I live Bruh?" And It old him: "Because no one who is wiling to give their life to keep children safe would never, ever touch a child. You are not a slave to your feelings. You are stronger than your feelings." And when he was a little calmer, I did the only thing I could do for a minor in our position: I referred him to a forum based in England, started by a teenager, for teenagers, who struggle with these feelings. And when he hung up the phone, he was still breathing.

I have had two calls along the nature of someone who is infatuated with the bodies of children. I let them vent it out, relieve that pressure, experience the relief of being able to talk without being judge. Both times, I had difficulty focusing them away from the erotica a child stirs in them to the bigger picture. Both times, these persons told me that they took pleasure in searching for children in (in their perception) proactive dress. In these two scenarios, I had difficulty reaching them with the "whole person" a child truly is. In one case, I told them a story of a child who was once in my life; who was an amazing, perceptive child. And through her play and her perception, I described how this child brought joy to those around them; including those in distress. I concluded by telling him, "There is so much more to children than their aesthetics. So much more. So much, in fact, that the erotica they invoke in you is really unimportant." He was silent for almost a minute, and he said, "Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. I needed that." In the other case, I had difficulty getting through. So I told him: "You like looking at pictures of children? Okay. Let's try something. If this works, great; if it doesn't and makes things worse, stop and call me and we'll figure something else out. You have my permission to google images of children. But when you do, I want you to try these search words: *Children Laughing* *Children Playing* *Children Crying*; I want you to pay close attention to their eyes and their faces. I want you to imagine what those children must be feeling in that moment; and I want you to try to feel it to. Can you do that? Can you try that?" Maybe; maybe; my attempts helped them see children in a more well-rounded, complete light. Maybe I helped them un-objectify children; and humanize them.

=========================================================

So I am going to leave you guys be to your hard talking, righteous indignation, while deluding yourselves into believing that you are doing something to stop childhood sexual abuse. Since the dawn of mankind, we have lashed out in hate and in fear towards these people. And it hasn't changed anything. It hasn't helped anything. So maybe it's time to try something different -- like separating the people in these calls from those who have crossed the line, and reaching out to them in support and compassion, helping them live harm-free lives; Maybe the sacrifice of having compassion for someone you hate is worth the price of saving a life, a child, a family. Or you can continue to drive them further down the rabbit hole and into silence in fear of you.

The choice is yours.

Good night.
I would add to what you have said that it is likely more sensible to try to understand why and where such feelings come from and to try to prevent such from becoming a problem, where possible - by doing more research - and by having less of the automatic hatred, particularly when the term paedophile covers a vast range of individuals not all intent on sexual abuse of children. This is so because no one is winning any war against this issue, especially the police, when virtually all evidence shows that one issue (illegal child images) is getting worse rather than better. And no doubt the ease of obtaining adult porn has exacerbated this issue somewhat when the dividing line between legal and illegal is not so clear. I know this isn't what people want to hear or read but seeing paedophiles as the last monsters is hardly useful, but rather head-in-the-sand stuff.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
It is fairly clear that paedophilia is not going to just go away.
It is equally clear that it is an instinctive sexual attraction in some people, and could be considered a sexual orientation.

However that has nothing to do with whether it should be illegal or not.
Nor can it define at what age sexual Congress should be permitted in law.

It is perhaps unfortunate that there is not an internationally accepted age of concent
And that there is a very wide grey area where the age of concent depends on the relative age of the participants.

Why should it be that at the stroke of midnight some one suddenly becomes fair game, for any adult to have sexual relations with.

Age of concent, the age gap. sexual maturity and vulnerability are all intertwined but almost impossible to define in a reasonable but standard way that is valid in all situations and for all people. It is for this reason that the law is so poorly defined or fairly applied, the law finds such unknowable variables impossible to deal with, except in a draconian manner.

What is certainly not taken into account at the moment is the individual sexual maturity or sexual drives of the people involved. It is simply too difficult to do so.

It is easy to see that sex with young children should be a crime. It is far less clear at what age a teenager should be considered both sexually mature and able to give their consent or become legally accountable for their actions.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
But there isn't religious opposition on it. Christians watch mass murder mysteries and go to church without affect but with professional porn their bias says it's not only bad but it can cause people to do bad things.

Christians will be affected in the same way as all other people are. It is known that some people are affected by what they see and enjoy, and a proportion of those, follow it with action.
 
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