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Law and pedophilia

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
As a jurist I wonder if any European country, member of the EU will ever tolerate pedophilia as sexual orientation. By law.
Which in my opinion, is an aberratio juridica.

The laws about consent are clear. Sex with a prepubescent is a crime, no matter how consenting the child is.
Since prepubescents are not able to express their consent.
In my country, specifically, sex between underage people is allowed, unless there is an age difference bigger than 3 years.

So, the ones who consider themselves non-offending pedophiles, need to understand that the law is pragmatic .
The law has the main aim to prevent crime.
Not only to punish crime.
It is a sex drive that we could analyze...but not tolerate. In my opinion.
What do you think?
 
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We Never Know

No Slack
As a jurist I wonder if any European country, member of the EU will ever tolerate pedophilia as sexual orientation. By law.
Which in my opinion, is an aberratio juridica.

The laws about consent are clear. Sex with a prebuscent is a crime, no matter how consenting the child is.
Since prepubescents are not able to express their consent.
In my country, specifically, sex between underage people is allowed, unless there is an age difference bigger than 3 years.

So, the ones who consider themselves non-offending pedophiles, need to understand that the law is pragmatic .
The law has the main aim to prevent crime.
Not only to punish crime.
It is a sex drive that we could analyze...but not tolerate. In my opinion.
What do you think?

Pedophiles cause mental and physically pain, ruin lives, destroy innocence, leave never healing scars. They should be shot like rapid dogs. You asked what I think and that's what I think.

  • Multiple studies have found that the average pedophile has molested over 300 children in his/her lifetime (Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission, 2001).
  • Sex offenders are at least four times more likely than other criminals to be rearrested for a sex crime (Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2003).
  • Of the released sex offenders who committed another sex crime, 40 percent perpetrated the new offense within one year from their prison discharge and the majority of the children they molested after leaving prison were aged 13 or younger (Department of Justice).
  • More than 90% of child sexual abuse victims know the perpetrator (Department of Justice).
  • Not all child sexual abusers exclusively target children - some are opportunistic offenders who seek vulnerable individuals to victimize (e.g., assault both vulnerable children and adults) (Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking).
  • 34% of offenders are related to the child they abuse (National Sexual Violence Resource Center).
  • Studies suggest that convicted sex offenders in prison represent less than 10% of all sex offenders living in the United States (Center for Sex Offender Management).
  • Males made up 90 percent of adult child sexual assault perpetrators, while 3.9 percent of perpetrators were female, with a further 6 percent classified as ’unknown gender’ (McCloskey & Raphael, 2005).


    Sex Offender Recidivism — Stop Child Predators
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
As a jurist I wonder if any European country, member of the EU will ever tolerate pedophilia as sexual orientation. By law.
Isn't there an ongoing debate on this in Germany? I'm not too knowledgeable, but I think I saw someone write that here on RF a number of times. If that's the case, then the mere fact of this even being debated does not bode well in my opinion.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Isn't there an ongoing debate on this in Germany? I'm not too knowledgeable, but I think I saw someone write that here on RF a number of times. If that's the case, then the mere fact of this even being debated does not bode well in my opinion.
Yes, there is. Hence my thread.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
As a jurist I wonder if any European country, member of the EU will ever tolerate pedophilia as sexual orientation. By law.
Which in my opinion, is an aberratio juridica.

The laws about consent are clear. Sex with a prebuscent is a crime, no matter how consenting the child is.
Since prepubescents are not able to express their consent.
In my country, specifically, sex between underage people is allowed, unless there is an age difference bigger than 3 years.

So, the ones who consider themselves non-offending pedophiles, need to understand that the law is pragmatic .
The law has the main aim to prevent crime.
Not only to punish crime.
It is a sex drive that we could analyze...but not tolerate. In my opinion.
What do you think?

In a nieghbouring community a well known business man who is 61 was arrested a few months ago for supposedly molesting a 75 year old disabled woman. It shocked everyone.
Last month I was eating breakfast with the chief of police from there(he's been in law enforcement for over 35 years). We got to talking about it and this is what he said...

"No one at 61 years old just wakes up one day and decides to molest someone. He either has always done it and has never been caught or the lady is lying. Only time will tell".

To me that pretty much sums it up.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Pedophiles cause mental and physically pain, ruin lives, destroy innocence, leave never healing scars. They should be shot like rapid dogs.
I cannot and will not empathize with such people.
Since I do not understand how it is possible to feel sex drives towards prepubescents.
Who are not sexual beings
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
And it turns out that pedophiles are often people beyond any suspicion. Our cooperators...our colleagues.
In this thriller a police chief finds out that one of her most trusted cooperators is actually the boss of a pedophile ring she was investigating on.

 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Do you happen to have some sources on the subject? I was looking into it recently but couldn't really find anything, and so wondered if I had misunderstood.

There must be something.
I started this thread too because in Italy they are passing a anti-discrimination law .
But it deals with LGBT rights only.
A parliamentarian tried to include the respect towards pedophilia as orientation.
He was immediately reproached by his party...and he had to take back what he had said.

Ddl Zan, l'ex pm Nordio in Senato: "Rischi per chi critica la pedofilia, è un orientamento sessuale". Ma in realtà è un disturbo e un reato - Il Fatto Quotidiano


Apparently in Germany and in Netherlands it is more likely that pedophilia is labeled as "sexual orientation"
 
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SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
As a jurist I wonder if any European country, member of the EU will ever tolerate pedophilia as sexual orientation. By law.
Which in my opinion, is an aberratio juridica.

The laws about consent are clear. Sex with a prebuscent is a crime, no matter how consenting the child is.
Since prepubescents are not able to express their consent.
In my country, specifically, sex between underage people is allowed, unless there is an age difference bigger than 3 years.

So, the ones who consider themselves non-offending pedophiles, need to understand that the law is pragmatic .
The law has the main aim to prevent crime.
Not only to punish crime.
It is a sex drive that we could analyze...but not tolerate. In my opinion.
What do you think?
Is pedophilia a sexual orientation as described by the mental health diagnosis manual? Sure, I can accept that. I mean this was a thing over a decade ago. Hell I remember discussing it (very carefully) in my sociology class back in freaking high school.
The problem is that whilst that may be understood as a neutral statement among lofty academia, in society that implicitly condones such an attraction.

I think such people need to be treated by experts in mental health and helped so as to not offend. If they do, then they should face the legal consequences.


Now if you’ll excuse me, I think I’m gonna go puke. Because from an emotional standpoint, this whole thing skeeves me the hell out
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
What worries me is the Overton Window effect. It starts from "neutral, objective" academic discussions, continues on to governmental workers declaring it legitimate, and the next thing you know, the whole West will think it's legal.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
As a jurist I wonder if any European country, member of the EU will ever tolerate pedophilia as sexual orientation. By law.
Which in my opinion, is an aberratio juridica.

The laws about consent are clear. Sex with a prepubescent is a crime, no matter how consenting the child is.
Since prepubescents are not able to express their consent.
In my country, specifically, sex between underage people is allowed, unless there is an age difference bigger than 3 years.

So, the ones who consider themselves non-offending pedophiles, need to understand that the law is pragmatic .
The law has the main aim to prevent crime.
Not only to punish crime.
It is a sex drive that we could analyze...but not tolerate. In my opinion.
What do you think?
I don't know enough about the UK law but I agree that the law needs to include an exemption for teenagers having sex with teenagers. There was a short period when I was 16 that i was having sex with a 15 year old.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
What worries me is the Overton Window effect. It starts from "neutral, objective" academic discussions, continues on to governmental workers declaring it legitimate, and the next thing you know, the whole West will think it's legal.
I dunno. People seem to have a visceral reaction when something involves children. There is an instinct that does come out in a lot of folks. Look at the Q conspiracy for instance

Having said that, there are some absolutely disgusting laws in some parts of the US (and probably the rest of the West) that literally allow for child marriage. So maybe you’re right.
The concept of adolescence is pretty recent, is it not?
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
I think the born this way argument has legitimised many paedophiles in their own opinions. If you are going to use the born this way line that many use, then you are on a slippery slope because it's considered that many paedophiles are infact born that way.

I unapologetically believe this popular argument is a slippery slope.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
As a jurist I wonder if any European country, member of the EU will ever tolerate pedophilia as sexual orientation. By law.
Which in my opinion, is an aberratio juridica.

The laws about consent are clear. Sex with a prepubescent is a crime, no matter how consenting the child is.
Since prepubescents are not able to express their consent.
In my country, specifically, sex between underage people is allowed, unless there is an age difference bigger than 3 years.

So, the ones who consider themselves non-offending pedophiles, need to understand that the law is pragmatic .
The law has the main aim to prevent crime.
Not only to punish crime.
It is a sex drive that we could analyze...but not tolerate. In my opinion.
What do you think?

I read that pedophile is someone attracted to children-has to deal with attraction-and child abuser (rapist, molester, etc) has to do with actions. Not many who are attracted to people will do anything with them legal or not, regardless the age.

I think I read it on, lack better words, police testimonies describing the differences between the two relating to their work. So I don't use thet word to refer to child molesters etc.

What's a non offending pedophile? It's not a crime to be attracted to a person. So, no lawbreaking.

Child molesters, abusers, it should be charged with crimes.

Edit.
What is Pedophilia: FAQ on Pedophiles and Pedophilia

I find it odd object the attraction can determine what's a disorder and what's not. I guess one would have to explain how the nature of attraction changes and how our biology can tell the difference between the object's sex, age, etc
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I read that pedophile is someone attracted to children-has to deal with attraction- and child abuser (rapist, molester, etc) has to do with actions. Not many who ate attracted to people will do anything with them legal or it, regardless the age.

I think I read it on, lack better words, police testimonies describing the differences between the two relating to their work. So I don't use thet word to refer to child molesters etc.

What's a non offending pedophile? It's not a crime to be attracted to a person. So, no lawbreaking.

Child molesters, abusers, it should be charged with crimes.

Edit.
What is Pedophilia: FAQ on Pedophiles and Pedophilia

I find it odd object of attraction can determine what's a disorder and what's not. I guess one would have to explain how the nature of attraction changes and how our biology can tell the difference between the object's sex, age, etc

In fact in this thread we are discussing whether it is allowed to express one's urges towards children.
I give you an example.
If I say " I am intrigued by a relationship with men who are 30 years older than me ", I am allowed to say it on a public forum.

People who are attracted to children should not manifest it publicly.
Because they can never put into action what they feel.
What they can do, is that they can ask for help, they can explain why they have these urges.
The law is for preventing crimes and helping people prevent crimes
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
In fact in this thread we are discussing whether it is allowed to express one's urges towards children.
I give you an example.
If I say " I am intrigued by a relationship with men who are 30 years older than me ", I am allowed to say it on public forum.

People who are attracted to children should not manifest it publicly.
Because they can never put into action what they feel.
What they can do, is that they can ask for help, they can explain why they have these urges.
The law is for preventing crimes and helping people prevent crimes

Why would they ask for help based on object if attraction?

How does the object of attraction determine the nature of the attraction and whether it's an addiction for some and not for others?

They used to confuse child molesters with homosexuals. So I don't put too much stock in attraction. But I'm not familiar with lawd for child molesters outside the states.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
In fact in this thread we are discussing whether it is allowed to express one's urges towards children.
I give you an example.
If I say " I am intrigued by a relationship with men who are 30 years older than me ", I am allowed to say it on public forum.

People who are attracted to children should not manifest it publicly.
Because they can never put into action what they feel.
What they can do, is that they can ask for help, they can explain why they have these urges.
The law is for preventing crimes and helping people prevent crimes

But really, what's a no offending pedophile?

I don't see anything wrong with a person if they don't offend people.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
But really, what's a no offending pedophile?

I don't see anything wrong with a person if they don't offend people.


Unfortunately non-offending pedophiles usually (but not always) consume porn material, which is illegal in any country.
Not only it is illegal to consume it. This demand for this material creates a horrific marketplace where children are sexually exploited.

I posted a video about a thriller which was all about a pedophile ring led by a professor from the "Fine Rome".
 
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