godnotgod
Thou art That
She was angry at the guy for taking all her honey, calling him a mother f****r, so she poisoned him, along with everyone else.
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Lady Gaga does it again with over-the-top "Telephone" video
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She was angry at the guy for taking all her honey, calling him a mother f****r, so she poisoned him, along with everyone else.
Metaphors have been known to be used before in video art - even in a pop music video.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Metaphors have been known to be used before in video art - even in a pop music video.
Perhaps I missed the metaphor. Give me a clue.:sorry1:
If you meant using 'honey' as a metaphor for 'love', then I did get that.
I also think we have here some real talent and creativity being used by someone who is not spiritually mature?
Revenge is OK when it is done with cleverness, cuteness, and sisterhood.
She also made a point after the fight scene of someone demonstrating approval.
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She's killing patriarchy in her latest videos. Think of what the male characters
represent. :yes:
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I haven't seen many of her videos, but maybe she's enacting the ancient rites of sacrificing the Divine King for the good and prosperity of the people?
godnotgod
Thou art That
She is not very refined in her "artistry". I understand about the undesirability of patriarchy, but she is going after the actual male rather than the idea of partriarchy itself. If she were a more mature artist, she would be far more subtle, creative and truly metaphorical and symbolic about how she goes about the destruction of patriarchy. To indulge herself in the actual graphic killing of the male, she is demonstrating that she is not so intelligent, but still clever and coy. Her thinking is still in the ghetto.
On top of that, as a society, we need to accept that women play a big role in nurturing patriarchy as well as males do. Ultimately the issue is not one of gender, but of enlightenment.
We should all be working toward balancing the masculine and feminine essences within us so as to understand how they compliment one another, rather than being in opposition to one another, as this video portrays.
This film sends the wrong message, and could actually result in similar real life incidents. We live in an age of sometimes salacious violence. I don't see this as making any contribution towards curbing any of it.
Do we want to actually see mass murder of the male populace? I don't think so.
I was raised in not only a patriarchal society, but a patriarchal family as well, and I was able to overcome it without having to be exterminated. It is learned behavior that can be unlearned, not instinctual, lock-step behavior.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
"Honest, your honor! We really didn't mean to kill all those people! We just wanted to kill one guy only! Honest!"
"Well, OK, sweetie. As long as you didn't mean to! So, I'll let you both go this time, but please try to be more careful in the future, OK, darling?"
"You betcha, Judge ol' boy...er...I mean...yer Honor"
And so they join in the violence in order to portray violence as pollution?
Duh! Ghetto mentality at work once again.
Ny....et!:sorry1:
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monta
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I can think of a number of films that had the protagonists engage in the activity the film was trying highlight, the whole video rehashes films from various genres, did you rail against the originals in this way? Sounds like pure bandwagonism to me, all aboard the I hate lady gaga express, stopping at misogyny, patriarchy,hypocrisy and finishing at righteous indignation.
monta
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I don't particularly like lady gaga, I get irked though when it seems like people only get worked up when a woman has the audacity to use her own sexuality to sell records, but are oblivious to the plethora of booty shaking videos that are out there with vapidly portrayed, scantily clad women dancing around a guy.
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JMorris
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I don't particularly like lady gaga, I get irked though when it seems like people only get worked up when a woman has the audacity to use her own sexuality to sell records, but are oblivious to the plethora of booty shaking videos that are out there with vapidly portrayed, scantily clad women dancing around a guy.
lol. :slap: dosent much matter to me, i dont watch many videos. and those i do watch dont have half naked women dancing in them. i have taste.
only half naked men for me
MissAlice
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Had trouble following this thread.
As to the question, maybe it's just me but I didn't find it all that shocking. Sex sells in pop "music" and quite frankly I'm finding more unshockable if only the "shockable" didn't follow such an old pattern of the same standard in pop culture. I could think of many things too over the top in mainstream music you wouldn't consider shocking.
Never been a Lady Gaga fan I got to say, she at least has her own unique style in both her looks and videos. I can't tell one from another in most pop song and videos.
As to the question, maybe it's just me but I didn't find it all that shocking. Sex sells in pop "music" and quite frankly I'm finding more unshockable if only the "shockable" didn't follow such an old pattern of the same standard in pop culture. I could think of many things too over the top in mainstream music you wouldn't consider shocking.
Never been a Lady Gaga fan I got to say, she at least has her own unique style in both her looks and videos. I can't tell one from another in most pop song and videos.
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I don't particularly like lady gaga, I get irked though when it seems like people only get worked up when a woman has the audacity to use her own sexuality to sell records, but are oblivious to the plethora of booty shaking videos that are out there with vapidly portrayed, scantily clad women dancing around a guy.
Cher went through the same thing. Madonna had just as many (if not more) critics. One would be hard pressed to find a female pop artist who used her sexuality and escaped massive criticism.
Btw, Madonna STILL gets razzed for what she does now, but an entire episode of "Glee!" is dedicated to her and her music.
godnotgod
Thou art That
I understand, but the issue is not those films, but this particular one, and if they portrayed the same elements in the same manner as Gaga's film, I would undoubtedly say the same thing about them. The problem is not that the protagonist engages in the activity, it is the activity itself that I question as being "art" that contributes to something useful to the human mind.
Excuse me? "Bandwagon"? "Hate"? No one is on any bandwagon of hatred here. All I am saying is that she is over-rated and her "art" lacks refinement. A good artist would not have done it this way, attacking the embodiment of patriarchy rather than the ideas of patriarchy in symbolic form. In other words, a good artist lets the audience figure things out intuitively, rather than graphically and grossly, as Gaga has done.
I was waiting for that shoe to drop. I am not making a moral judgment of Gaga. All I am saying is that she is immature, and I find her film kind of juvenile in her approach.stopping at misogyny, patriarchy,hypocrisy and finishing at righteous indignation.
When we strip away the sensation, all I see here is the same mentality that says: 'They got what they deserved", and "Lynch 'em".
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MissAlice
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Sometimes it's a matter of taste rather than a following.
Just my two cents.
I know not everyone would agree with many of the artists I like. Would I hold it against them? No not unless they spouted out fallacious "facts" that weren't true.
Well....I have to defend some of what's left of their reputation ya know.
Just my two cents.
I know not everyone would agree with many of the artists I like. Would I hold it against them? No not unless they spouted out fallacious "facts" that weren't true.
Well....I have to defend some of what's left of their reputation ya know.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Cher went through the same thing. Madonna had just as many (if not more) critics. One would be hard pressed to find a female pop artist who used her sexuality and escaped massive criticism.
Btw, Madonna STILL gets razzed for what she does now, but an entire episode of "Glee!" is dedicated to her and her music.
Sexuality is one thing; mass murder quite another. I don't believe Cher or Madonna ever indulged themselves in that way.
Does the fact that Gaga couples sex with violence tell you something about her level of development, or the level of development of Western society, for that matter?
This film is pure Sensation, one of the first Three Levels of Consciousness, the other two being Power and Security. Actually, we see all three levels in operation in this film. Power, Sensation, and Security are ADDICTIONS. They only become PREFERENCES when they become transformed by the Fourth Level of Consciousness, that of Love. There is no Love in this film.
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All-righty then...
I dig the nod to the Cell Block Tango number in the prison. :bounce