1robin
Christian/Baptist
I will address all this stuff in the following. Here are some reasons for the dateing I claim and for the Gospels reliability.Like i said i don't care about your dating since its accepted by most of the historians, biblical scholars and universities i rather belief them then you on this subject. The dates i gave are right the 60 A.D till 110 A.D is from Mark John has 80/90/150 A.D some even say they are dated back to 250 A.D but since i only follow the Majority i will stick to those. Ok let me ask a simpler question if 5% is not reliable then you agree that there are Corruptions, Interpolations and Influences in the scripture right and how is this reliable? So how can we say that only 5% is corrupted while the Time-Span is so big, some scriptures came 110Years after as you just stated above.
- Jesus predicted that the Temple of Jerusalem will be destroyed and the Temple was indeed destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Romans.
The gospel writers would certainly include this historially important fact but did not - the reason they omitted it may be because the gospels were written before 70 A.D. - Acts was written by Luke after Luke has written the Gospel of Luke.
At the end of Acts, Luke describes Paul being in Rome under house arrest in 62 A.D. - and ends without telling us the fate of Paul
Paul was executed by Nero and Nero died in June 68 A.D.... so Paul was executed before that 68 A.D. - if Luke knew about his death, he would certainly wrote about it.
So Acts was probably written between 62 A.D. and 68 A.D, most likely in 62 A.D. when Paul was under house arrest (Luke was with him and he had time writing). Since Luke wrote the Gospel of Luke before Acts, this gospel would be written before 60 A.D. - which is only about 30 years (a very short time !!!) after Christ's resurrection !
- Paul's journey in Galatia and the Greek island did not leave behind many churches but - and probably his most important legacy - a large number of letters (that he wrote to the churches that he has established)
- The Gospels were all written after Paul's letters !
- the Crucifixion occured around 30 A.D.
- Paul's conversion occured around 32 A.D.
- Paul's first meeting with the apostles in Jerusalem occured around 35 A.D. ( Acts 9:26)
- Paul's ministry probably began in the 40's A.D.
- Paul's letter were probably written in the 50's A.D.
- Conclusion: Paul's letter were written in a very short 20 years after Christ's resurrection - within the lifetime of many many many eyewitnesses - favorable and unfavorable ones.
- Paul's first meeting with the apostles in Jerusalem occured around 35 A.D. (after Paul met Jesus and got blind in Damascus)
- Paul's letter to the Corinthians mentioned that "he received some teaching that he is passing on" (the teaching are the creeds in 1 Corinthians 15):
"For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. Afterwards He was seen by over five hundred brothers at once, of whom the greater part remain until the present day, but also some fell asleep. Afterwards, He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. And last of all He was seen by me also." - So in 35 A.D. - only a 3 or 4 years after Christ's death and resurrection - when Paul spoke with Peter, he was told that "Christ died for our sins", "He was buried", "He rose again the third day" and "He was seen by Cephas....". That is WAY TOO SHORT a time to form any legends !!!
- The Gospels report the "ugliness" of their leaders
Suppose, just suppose that the Gospels were legends; suppose that the disciples were inventing a new religion....
What do you think they would do ?????
THINK !
If you are gonna invent a new religion to ATTRACT a lot of people, you want the leaders of the new religion to be as immaculate/perfect as possible... (Who would want to follow a criminal or scumbag as a religious leader ???)
Take Peter for example - the leader of the disciples. Would Peter - being one of the main man of this newly invented religion - invent a gospel where he denies Jesus not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES ???? Would Peter portraited himself as a COWARD in his own invented religion ???
- No man will die for his own lies
Most of the original Disciples of Jesus were persecuted to death. If they have invented this "gospel" themselves, they would know it is a lie. Human nature is such that:- Some man will die for the truth
- Some man may even die for a lie invented by someone else
- But NO man will die for a lie invented by himself
Here is a site that deals with just Luke and Acts alone and is very detailed.
The Writing of the New Testament - Luke and Acts
I reject your position that I should restrict myself to only my ideas or to non-Christian sources. That is an illogical and ineffective method of research. What Muslim experts say about their scripture is very important to me and I would never suggest they could not be used to you. I have one more post to include and then will wait for you to digest all this stuff. Take your time but please do not just ignore stuff because you don't like it.
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