Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Well I am no expert, as I have said elsewhere (maybe not on this thread)
I know a guy, been practising Kabbalah for over 40 years..with fingers in pies that extend from England, to South africa and of course Israel....
and after 40 years, he still considers that he has barely scratched the surface.
............
the abyss....
well the abyss is a void...
a place "between" places...
IF we examine the tree there are the 3 supernal emanations at the top and the lower 7 below...often called the smaller and greater face or similar terms....
We can see that the 7 below are the experiences of man.... thus the highest that a man is a man is the 4 emanation of Chesed, Mercy. Some place the idea of laughter at Chesed. Here at Chesed then laughter can be seen as the highest of all human "emotions"
So then the abyss cuts between that which is human and that which is beyond concept. We see the number 7 of course.
7 being the number of days of creation
7 being the number of directions that define 3 dimensional space (up down left right forward back within)
7 chakras
etc
So we see 7....
thus to leave 7 is to truly leave anything that has a vestige of the world...
Perhaps this is one reason why 7 heavens are mentioned in many traditions. In Gnosticism the 7 heavens represent 7 false heavens all owned byu beings called Archons. Archons (rulers) are beings that hold mankind in captivity and prvent us from progressing, At a basic level we can see them as beings liek "greed", "lazyness" "self loving of the ego" etc etc but not just at a personal level,, also at a cosmic level.
Now while many traditions would state Christ is found in the center as the 6th emanation, christ can also be seen to be the lower 7. From emanation 10 (malkuth, all manifest physical reality) through to 4 (Chesed, divine mercy). This lends to the idea of Christ as the divine man...and arguable you can see the supernal triangle thus, acts like a crown, like Kether on top of the Christ.
Essentiallty the lower 7 can be "studied" arguably through intellect, to some extent,... the supernal triangel....requires experience..arguably
But the abyss itself. The abyss itself is a gateway. Some traditions place the Klippah, or shells as connected here at the abyss. The Klippah or shells are unformed emanations. These can be thought of as a secondary tree, and is often assigned demons to each emanation in contrast to a normal tree that is assigned angels. The shells themselves, are perhaps most easily though of as God's excrement. If God is a being and has a body (the tree of life) then the shells are what god has pooped.... It is here at the place of the shells that we find much of the Chthonic underworld streams....
the abyss is embodied by Daath or Knowledge. This is Gnosis as opposed to book and intellectual knowledge which is arguably found at Hod, and is Episteme, another greek word meaning knowledge.
We can think of daath as the beginning of Gnosis
If we have kether as a person giving a message
then we have chockma as the message itself
this is received and in order for the message to be understood a medium is required. Television, a compact disc, paper etc
It is then in Daath that the message is read....
....
Here is something that may be slightly in tune with what you have already read.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1621691-post5.html
...........
"What separates man from God? Consciousness, or rather the lack of it on the part of man. God has the perhaps unfair advantage of being all-aware, or omniscient, and so can be completely conscious of man, whereas man can only be aware of God in very attenuated and limited ways. Our efforts at understanding or comprehending the real nature of divinity fall pathetically short of the mark. On our side of the Abyss we can only guess and speculate. All the understanding and comprehension is on God's side, not ours. We only have what leaks across, as it were.....
Note that the concepts above the Abyss are not approachable by feelings, while those below the Abyss are. One cannot very well feel wise or understanding, but one can feel merciful, mighty, harmonious, victorious, and glorious. In the Kingdom, of course, one exercises alltypes of feeling in the experience of life. Though many workers with the Tree tend to neglect the Abyss concept, it is an essential part of the great plan and has a vital function to fulfill. The point here is that everything above the Abyss is pure consciousness while everything to do with our human nature lies below that level of life.
Think of things this way. Unless our fallible and imperfect type of life existed, there would be no need for mercy, might, balance, victory, glory, or stability. Pure consciousness alone could make a closed circuit of itself, and live in a perfect state of self-perception. Life without end, Amen. The Abyss is a demarcation line past which, in a 'downward' direction, spirit materializes and, in an 'upward' direction, matter spiritualizes. 'Up' and 'down,' of course, are purely relative terms here.....
.....for the present be content to see it [the Abyss] as a division between divinity and humanity which is more than difficult for any human soul to cross completely. Yet this crossing may be possible, but only after long preparation and training plus superhuman courage inspired by sheer self-affinity for the Absolute. Legend tells of a 'Sword Bridge' over the Abyss which souls had to cross with as much care as if they were walking along a sword blade. Many myths have comparable bridges between ideal and ordinary worlds. In Norse mythology it is a high, arching bridge of brittle ice. With our Grail legend it is a bridge to the Grail Castle which is a bowshot long and only a foot wide which is supposed to broaden out when a brave man begins to cross it.....
You may have seen sometimes a dotted circle drawn there and read of references to a mysterious 'eleventh Sphere of Daat' which means 'Knowledge gained by Experience.'
I know a guy, been practising Kabbalah for over 40 years..with fingers in pies that extend from England, to South africa and of course Israel....
and after 40 years, he still considers that he has barely scratched the surface.
............
the abyss....
well the abyss is a void...
a place "between" places...
IF we examine the tree there are the 3 supernal emanations at the top and the lower 7 below...often called the smaller and greater face or similar terms....
We can see that the 7 below are the experiences of man.... thus the highest that a man is a man is the 4 emanation of Chesed, Mercy. Some place the idea of laughter at Chesed. Here at Chesed then laughter can be seen as the highest of all human "emotions"
So then the abyss cuts between that which is human and that which is beyond concept. We see the number 7 of course.
7 being the number of days of creation
7 being the number of directions that define 3 dimensional space (up down left right forward back within)
7 chakras
etc
So we see 7....
thus to leave 7 is to truly leave anything that has a vestige of the world...
Perhaps this is one reason why 7 heavens are mentioned in many traditions. In Gnosticism the 7 heavens represent 7 false heavens all owned byu beings called Archons. Archons (rulers) are beings that hold mankind in captivity and prvent us from progressing, At a basic level we can see them as beings liek "greed", "lazyness" "self loving of the ego" etc etc but not just at a personal level,, also at a cosmic level.
Now while many traditions would state Christ is found in the center as the 6th emanation, christ can also be seen to be the lower 7. From emanation 10 (malkuth, all manifest physical reality) through to 4 (Chesed, divine mercy). This lends to the idea of Christ as the divine man...and arguable you can see the supernal triangle thus, acts like a crown, like Kether on top of the Christ.
Essentiallty the lower 7 can be "studied" arguably through intellect, to some extent,... the supernal triangel....requires experience..arguably
But the abyss itself. The abyss itself is a gateway. Some traditions place the Klippah, or shells as connected here at the abyss. The Klippah or shells are unformed emanations. These can be thought of as a secondary tree, and is often assigned demons to each emanation in contrast to a normal tree that is assigned angels. The shells themselves, are perhaps most easily though of as God's excrement. If God is a being and has a body (the tree of life) then the shells are what god has pooped.... It is here at the place of the shells that we find much of the Chthonic underworld streams....
the abyss is embodied by Daath or Knowledge. This is Gnosis as opposed to book and intellectual knowledge which is arguably found at Hod, and is Episteme, another greek word meaning knowledge.
We can think of daath as the beginning of Gnosis
If we have kether as a person giving a message
then we have chockma as the message itself
this is received and in order for the message to be understood a medium is required. Television, a compact disc, paper etc
It is then in Daath that the message is read....
....
Here is something that may be slightly in tune with what you have already read.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1621691-post5.html
...........
"What separates man from God? Consciousness, or rather the lack of it on the part of man. God has the perhaps unfair advantage of being all-aware, or omniscient, and so can be completely conscious of man, whereas man can only be aware of God in very attenuated and limited ways. Our efforts at understanding or comprehending the real nature of divinity fall pathetically short of the mark. On our side of the Abyss we can only guess and speculate. All the understanding and comprehension is on God's side, not ours. We only have what leaks across, as it were.....
Note that the concepts above the Abyss are not approachable by feelings, while those below the Abyss are. One cannot very well feel wise or understanding, but one can feel merciful, mighty, harmonious, victorious, and glorious. In the Kingdom, of course, one exercises alltypes of feeling in the experience of life. Though many workers with the Tree tend to neglect the Abyss concept, it is an essential part of the great plan and has a vital function to fulfill. The point here is that everything above the Abyss is pure consciousness while everything to do with our human nature lies below that level of life.
Think of things this way. Unless our fallible and imperfect type of life existed, there would be no need for mercy, might, balance, victory, glory, or stability. Pure consciousness alone could make a closed circuit of itself, and live in a perfect state of self-perception. Life without end, Amen. The Abyss is a demarcation line past which, in a 'downward' direction, spirit materializes and, in an 'upward' direction, matter spiritualizes. 'Up' and 'down,' of course, are purely relative terms here.....
.....for the present be content to see it [the Abyss] as a division between divinity and humanity which is more than difficult for any human soul to cross completely. Yet this crossing may be possible, but only after long preparation and training plus superhuman courage inspired by sheer self-affinity for the Absolute. Legend tells of a 'Sword Bridge' over the Abyss which souls had to cross with as much care as if they were walking along a sword blade. Many myths have comparable bridges between ideal and ordinary worlds. In Norse mythology it is a high, arching bridge of brittle ice. With our Grail legend it is a bridge to the Grail Castle which is a bowshot long and only a foot wide which is supposed to broaden out when a brave man begins to cross it.....
You may have seen sometimes a dotted circle drawn there and read of references to a mysterious 'eleventh Sphere of Daat' which means 'Knowledge gained by Experience.'
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