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Kabbalah 101

Discussion in 'Kabbalah DIR' started by Mr Cheese, Sep 14, 2009.

  1. Mr Cheese

    Mr Cheese Well-Known Member

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    the abyss....

    it is the place between the conceptual and the non conceptual....

    daath, knowledge...

    more to come
     
  2. Reverend Rick

    Reverend Rick Frubal Whore
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    I cannot wait. ;)
     
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    It is pointless, I tried to explain he doesn't get it.
     
  4. Mr Cheese

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    funny, the knight isnt even a Jew....

    and yes

    even kabbalah has fundamentalists, need I post Reb Laitman's comments on how all religions are false but kabbalah...?

    If you guys know so much better....

    why not actually shut me up..... instead of simply posting silly comments
     
  5. TheKnight

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    One needn't be a Jew to study Kabbalah. But Kabbalah itself is structured upon the Torah. It's foundation is in the Torah. You take away the Torah from Kabbalah and all you have left is witchcraft or something. But it certainly isn't authentic Kosher Kabbalah.
     
  6. Mr Cheese

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    who took away torah?

    but nah you dont know the full story.....

    I'll post on this too if you like....

    But you know, I'd rather take advice from people who have been Kabbalists for decades, than someone online who has an opinion....

    :sarcastic but then I am silly like that

    incidently I can demonstrate that practically all facets of the occult that ignorant people claim is not kabbalah, can be found in actual authentic sources....does this in my opinion make them "good" or "useful" practises?....no.

    But the vast majority of this "witch craft" is actually found within authentic Judaic kabbalah....

    But of course, as a fount of all wisdom, you already knew that...right?

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    Witchcraft is nothing more than perversion of the uses of Kabbalistic wisdom. So yes, for every act of witchcraft, there is more than likely a holy counterpart in Kabbalah.
     
  8. Reverend Rick

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    Imagine a huge junk yard full of discarded demons, imprisoned abominations beyond your wildest dreams. Then imagine that you must travel through this place unscathed to reach your destination.

    Holding perfect balance between good and evil, right and wrong, just and unjust in every thought and deed.

    Imagine the arrogance to believe you can achieve the ability to travel the path of Buddha, Jesus, Mohammad and the like. Imagine trying to traverse this journey to kether not from kether.

    Every action must be balanced by an equal and opposite reaction instantly at the same time never once letting the scales become unbalanced for even a second.

    Imagine being pure in thought and deed without a moment of doubt about your ability to traverse this place of nothingness full of things beyond your wildest dreams.
     
  9. arimoff

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    Lets not quote MR. Laitman, hi is no Kabbalist neither. What Knight was trying to say, if Kabbalah is part of Torah and Torah asks you to follow laws then by studying Kabbalah you should come to be a follower of those laws. I have seen people, some of them are my friends who attend lectures of Mr. laitman and they don't even understand what Torah is.

    One of the big Mitzvot is to keep Shabbat, I have seen Mr. laitman give lectures on the internet on Shabbat, how can anybody call him a Kabbalist or even quote him as a Kabbalist.

    And all those that you call fundamentalists are the real Kabbalists, they are the ones who made Kabbalah what it is today, and then have people come quote their teachings and then call them fundamentalists is absurd.

    Read the biography of the ARI (Arizal) tell me He didn't follow laws of the Torah.
     
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  10. Mr Cheese

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    not what I was saying

    I was saying that everythign that ignorant people have claimed is witch craft can actually be found within kabbalah..... its not a holy counterpart..its the same thing.....

    but you're ignorant of this...so never mind...
    keep spouting the same rhetoric other fundamentalists do
     
  11. Mr Cheese

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    again I'll take the words and ideas of people who have been active kabbalists for decades over some guy in an discussion room online....

    How much kabbalah have you actually read or DONE, besides reading a biography? lol

    :facepalm: I can post words that contradict your idea...from practising Jews.....

    But of course this arguemtn is largely, I suspect the old, I am orthiodox so you're not a real jew.... that is what tends to bring these ideas up....
    Heck the Orthodox Jews are still upset that any kabbalistic texts even exist in english....

    On that note, I dont see any point in discussing kabbalah here.... its simply beyond anyone here, and there are simply too many people who have backward ideas....
     
  12. Mr Cheese

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    sounds like you've been reading far too much alesteir crowley
    who frankly was not a kabbalist, he had no access to reams of key important texts
    crowley was a ceremonial magician
    and I'm sorry to say, for all the "good" he did....
    overall a junky is a junky....
     
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    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
     
  14. Mr Cheese

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    :rolleyes: you've been practising kabbalah within a Jewish tradition for decades too huh?

    or is it simply another case of someone online being an "expert"?
     
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    The fact that you see it as " I suspect the old, I am orthiodox so you're not a real jew" is disturbing to me. Because that's not what anyone is saying. If you truly study Kabbalah, you know that there are plenty of illegitimate sources of it out there (particularly sources that allow for the abrogation of divine commandments).

    The fact is that Kabbalah is inseparable from the commandments of the Torah. To study Kabbalah and not follow the commandments is a lot like reading the table of contents of a book and thinking you know what happens.
     
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    The die hard bamboozal us with repetitive diatribes of insolvable inadequacies when in fact the truths of the kabalah are relativity simple and represent the the thinking mans pillars to spirirtual success. So what if this is tangential to reality.

    Cheers
     
  17. Mr Cheese

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    again....

    you have been practising kabbalah for decades huh, oh wise one...?
     
  18. Mr Cheese

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    not really....

    although yes, that is one aspect

    Kabbalah itself is a huge subject....
     
  19. Reverend Rick

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    Mr. Cheese, I am quilty as charged. Like Crowley. I was a ceremonial magickan as well.

    Now that we have established that I only have a clue about the kabbalah, I have never once challenged you or even tried to debate any issues with you.

    I doubt we have many members that even knew what the kaballah even is, much less an interest in discussing this subject.

    Now, are you going to go beyond basic text book information and expand on any paticulars of this subject that some of the members might find interesting, or is this thread doomed for extinction?

    I really would enjoy reading more on this subject and am interested in you sharing your expertise.
     
  20. Tiapan

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    so is nuclear physics

    Cheers
     
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