JW's Preach A Different Gospel

[djhwoodwerks]

There is so much that can be said about this guy's whole approach. He wasn't there to preach to the Witnesses...he was there to challenge them, humiliate them and to promote himself and his own version of Christianity and post it on the Internet.

The JW's are supposed to be the "ONLY" ones with the truth, why could this guy not answer?. If you watched the video, you seen how the JW responded, he didn't know what to say. That was on him!

It is because they cannot progress from the very first part of the Christian message which includes the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and the forgiveness of our sins.....but goes "onto the more important part" about what the kingdom means for those who do become Christ's disciples

So you're saying that God is going to make the earth a garden and we won't cry anymore or get sick anymore is "MORE IMPORTANT" than the forgiveness of our sins and that we can stand before God righteous? WOW!

This guy's whole scenario was empty and devoid of love

He is devoid of love!!?? Did you watch the video I posted of the 2015 "IMITATE JESUS" conference? I guess since you're a JW you will justify their actions too. It will be the non JW's intentions that made them act the way they did.

NOT that God will send the dying man to hell if he fails to repent in the two minutes he has left, but that he will be resurrected in the "new earth" to be given an opportunity to learn about the God he never knew.

Please show me just "ONE" verse that backs up your statement that we are of given a "SECOND" opportunity in anything! The world is not going to end until "EVERYONE" has heard the gospel, that's the only chance we get. The righteous will be resurrected when Jesus comes back, and then the unrighteous will be resurrected after the 1,000 years.


If you want to get real about this, your beloved anointed will "NOT" reign with Jesus for a 1,000 years! Only the ones killed for the Gospel during the tribulation will reign with Jesus. So your GB better rethink their strategy!

Rev 20:4 (ESVST) . Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


Everyone else will be resurrected "AFTER" the 1,000 years.

Rev 20:4-5 (ESVST) 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

. I thank God everyday for Him being in my life.

AMEN sister! I know what God has done in my life! I know the freedom I have in Jesus! (2Co 3:16-17 (ESVST) . 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.) I'm not bound by the 1,700+ rules and regulations the GB has on it's people. And guess what! Without any help from the GB, I know God takes no pleasure in me watching porn. I know that it's wrong to steal, kill, envy, hate, to be greedy, to lust, to lie, to think more of myself than others, I didn't need the GB to teach me that! I know that Jesus is the Son of God and that He was no angel (Heb 1:5 (ESVST) 5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, today I have begotten you"?). I believe that God and Jesus are one and the same, (John 14:8-9 (ESVST) ." 9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ' Show us the Father '?). I believe that Jesus' death, burial and resurrection trumps everything else (1Co 15:3-4 (ESVST) 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,) That's where I stand!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Jesus never meant that he as a man was the way or only way, Jesus represented the way,

John 14:5-6 (ESVST) 6 Jesus said to him, " I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [Jesus said, "I AM" the way, he didn't say, "I WILL BE THE WAY" or "I REPRESENT" the way]

You see, too many cling to the story of Jesus and believe he is the only way

Take that up with Jesus, He said, we didn't!

This may sound odd to you, but that is only because you have been hypnotised by your belief system, your belief system has been so well put together that you are so convinced that it is true, and this keeps you clinging to it, dehypnotize yourself by thinking for yourself.

This might apply to you!

2Co 4:3-4 (ESVST) . 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

 

[JayJayDee]

The JW's are supposed to be the "ONLY" ones with the truth, why could this guy not answer?. If you watched the video, you seen how the JW responded, he didn't know what to say. That was on him!

That was a set up for YouTube. You honestly see this guy's motive as good? I see how patiently my brother and sister tolerated the rantings of this moron. We see two different things here. All I see is a deliberate attempt to humiliate my brothers who are peacefully sitting without harassing anyone, and this guy shows up with his mate filming the entire episode so he can big note himself on YouTube. Sincere motive?...you've got to be kidding.

He then tells us that the good news is that Jesus can be accepted in the last remaining moments of a person's life but that if he fails to convert in the next two minutes he will be going straight to hell!!!! Oh joy! What wonderful news!

So you're saying that God is going to make the earth a garden and we won't cry anymore or get sick anymore is "MORE IMPORTANT" than the forgiveness of our sins and that we can stand before God righteous? WOW!

If you leave out half the message, it makes the omitted part meaningless. Why did Jesus specifically say that "the good news OF THE KINGDOM" was to be preached in all the world before the end comes? God's entire purpose for the earth and for the living things upon it was not just to take good people to heaven because they are forgiven. That is NOT the message of the kingdom. Christendom has made it a case of "good go to heaven...bad go to hell", when this was never Christ's message in the first place.

God put humans on earth because this planet was meant to be our permanent home. The kingdom guarantees that God's first purpose will go ahead, thanks to the sacrifice of Jesus.

2 Peter 3:13..."But, according to his promise, we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness truly resides." (NET)

The "new earth" is just as much a part of Jehovah's purpose as the "new heavens". The "meek shall inherit the earth" according to Jesus.

We cannot achieve everlasting life without the sacrifice of Christ, and his death and resurrection guarantee God's forgiveness if we are genuinely repentant. But that is only half the story.....it is WHY Jesus came to do that, that is the whole reason for the kingdom. Your spiritual blindness will not allow you to see past the end of your nose.

He is devoid of love!!?? Did you watch the video I posted of the 2015 "IMITATE JESUS" conference? I guess since you're a JW you will justify their actions too. It will be the non JW's intentions that made them act the way they did.

You think we don't know a set-up when we see one? We aren't stupid. No brother or sister would ever do such a thing, so it's either some religious "whacko" or someone disfellowshipped who would ever pull a stunt like that. Jesus told us not to 'throw our pearls before swine'. What was his motive...I think we all know. Are you telling me that you would do something like that? Would you expect a JW to do something like that in one of Christendom's gatherings? Who are the real Christians? You have a very twisted view of things if you think he was being a Christian.

Please show me just "ONE" verse that backs up your statement that we are of given a "SECOND" opportunity in anything!

This is interesting...let me ask you to think about something here....since salvation is only through faith in Jesus Christ, what has happened to all those people who lived and died without ever hearing the gospel? What of the ones who never heard of Jehovah or his Christ? You think God will let them die in their ignorance and never allow them to hear the message? What kind of a God punishes people for ignorance?

In John 5:28, 29, Jesus calls ALL the dead from their graves..."both righteous and unrighteous"...there is no mention of separating them in time. The righteous come out to life, whilst the unrighteous are put on judgment. This judgment comes only after their resirrection, not before. Only after the 1,000 year reign of Christ will satan be released from his prison to see who will again fall for his deceptions. With all humanity in a perfected state, they will be in the same position as both Adam and Jesus Christ being tempted by the devil. Only those who remain faithful after this final test will inherit everlasting life. When this final test takes place, the anointed ones who were chosen to rule with Jesus were granted immortal life in heaven a thousand years ago, so it isn't talking about those who experienced "the first resurrection" (Rev 20:6) This is about all humankind who are alive at the end of the 1,000 years.

The world is not going to end until "EVERYONE" has heard the gospel, that's the only chance we get. The righteous will be resurrected when Jesus comes back, and then the unrighteous will be resurrected after the 1,000 years.

You've got it all upside down. Everyone will have chosen their position at the end of the last days. Most will have rejected the gospel, having chosen not to hear it. Some have heard it but fail to obey it. (2 Thess 1:6-9) These are the ones with no second chances. (Matt 24:36-39)

If you want to get real about this, your beloved anointed will "NOT" reign with Jesus for a 1,000 years! Only the ones killed for the Gospel during the tribulation will reign with Jesus. So your GB better rethink their strategy!

So that lets out all the apostles and those who suffered and died faithful for the last 2,000 years then? Really?
So Paul was telling porky pies when he spoke about inheriting immortality in heaven? John has no crown either...poor deluded apostles!

Rev 20:4 (ESVST) . Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Those who will reign with Christ, who resist the wild beast and its image are those of the anointed still on earth at the time when the mark of the wild beast is required. That hasn't happened quite yet.

Everyone else will be resurrected "AFTER" the 1,000 years
Rev 20:4-5 (ESVST) 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.

Everyone will have "come to life" as in achieving perfect life at the end of the 1,000 years. This is why the final test is carried out at that time.....The resurrection is long over by then. Your picture is very distorted, I'm afraid.

 

[psychoslice]

The truth is never arrogant. Some may sound arrogant speaking the truth but that in no way deters truth. Jesus unlike Buddha said that He is THE Way, THE Truth, and THE Life. That NO ONE comes to the Father but through Him. That is a narrow statement, and in your view an arrogant one. But Jesus said it. And He meant it.

Jesus supposedly said it, but that doesn't mean he meant it literally true, he as a man was not the way, the way was made personified so the people at that time could understand it, like in parables, its where you are in your growth with God, that you will understand the parables, some see them literal, and some see them spiritual, the latter is for those who are spiritually mature, they will see beyond mere words. The way is within all of us, we need to go within and find the way, find our own connection with God, that connection is called the Christ, simple, and it makes much more sense.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

That was a set up for YouTube. You honestly see this guy's motive as good? I see how patiently my brother and sister tolerated the rantings of this moron.

Patiently tolerated? The guy didn't know what to say! He mumbled something about Adam and Eve, a kingdom and another chance. He had no idea what to say.

All I see is a deliberate attempt to humiliate my brothers

I don't understand this statement. If JW's only have the truth, how could he be humiliated by answering the man? How can you humiliate someone who has the truth?

You think we don't know a set-up when we see one? We aren't stupid.

If you "TRULY" believed you had the "TRUTH" that statement could/would not come out of your mouth!! You claim only JW's have the "REAL TRUTH", what could he have been set up for?

Would you expect a JW to do something like that in one of Christendom's gatherings?

The JW's were sitting on a street corner, it wasn't a "GATHERING". And no, it would be very disrespectful for someone to enter a church and interrupt a service, I would not condone that at all.

You've got it all upside down. Everyone will have chosen their position at the end of the last days. Most will have rejected the gospel, having chosen not to hear it. Some have heard it but fail to obey it. (2 Thess 1:6-9) These are the ones with no second chances. (Matt 24:36-39)

What's the difference in rejecting the gospel and having heard but fail to obey? Either way, the "UNRIGHTEOUS" (having rejected or failed to obey) have no second chance. We only get one chance at this!

This is interesting...let me ask you to think about something here...

Please don't avoid my request. Show me "ONE" scriptural verse, not "YOUR" opinion or the GB opinion, but scriptural proof that we get a second chance after we die.

So that lets out all the apostles and those who suffered and died faithful for the last 2,000 years then? Really?
So Paul was telling porky pies when he spoke about inheriting immortality in heaven? John has no crown either...poor deluded apostles!

What does the "BIBLE" say?

Rev 20:4-5 (ESVST) . Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.

Those who will reign with Christ, who resist the wild beast and its image are those of the anointed still on earth at the time when the mark of the wild beast is required. That hasn't happened quite yet.

JW's seem to have a fetish about the word "anointed"! Do you think anyone not having Jesus will be able to stand against the wiles of the devil? No one living now can stand against satan without Jesus as their Lord and Savior! Has nothing to do with being anointed. If someone is anointed they would have signs just like the apostles. Can the GB or any JW heal, or raise the dead? Can they make the blind to see or deaf hear? Probably not!

John 15:4-5 (ESVST) 5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.

Jam 4:6-7 (ESVST) 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

You should know better than to try and offload that drivel on me...I've heard it all before...it is nothing more than an attempt to justify what Christendom is NOT doing. Excuses will not suffice when Jesus comes as judge.

Wait a minute, didn't Jesus already come to judge in 1914?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The way is within all of us, we need to go within and find the way, find our own connection with God, that connection is called the Christ, simple, and it makes much more sense.

Pro 3:5-6 (ESVST) 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. 6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths

 

[psychoslice]

Wait a minute, didn't Jesus already come to judge in 1914?

Ha, that was a downer, but I'm sure there is an excuse.

 

[JayJayDee]

Wait a minute, didn't Jesus already come to judge in 1914?

Jesus came as king in 1914....that is when the sign of his presence and the "last days" began. When he comes as judge you will know it...believe me.

But what is the point of arguing with someone like you? You will never understand because you already think you have the answers...that's fine. You are free to believe whatever you wish. Post whatever makes you feel good about yourself...just know that something is coming that you do not anticipate. We have tried to tell you but you don't want to hear.

I will not speak with you again. There is no value in it. JW bashing seems to be all you are capable of...so be it.

 

[psychoslice]

Jesus came as king in 1914....that is when the sign of his presence and the "last days" began. When he comes as judge you will know it...believe me.

But what is the point of arguing with someone like you? You will never understand because you already think you have the answers...that's fine. You are free to believe whatever you wish. Post whatever makes you feel good about yourself...just know that something is coming that you do not anticipate. We have tried to tell you but you don't want to hear.

I will not speak with you again. There is no value in it. JW bashing seems to be all you are capable of...so be it.

But don't you also believe you have the answers, after all that's why you go around knocking on doors.

 

[psychoslice]

I know how the JW's think, I was once a Seventh day Adventist, they also believed that they are the chosen ones to spread the truth of God, this is the problem with religion, they all believe they and them only hold the truth of God. They all take what they believe to be what God wants, by cherry picking through the scriptures, they then formulate their belief system, and by continually reinforcing this belief into their minds they then become hypnotised, and believe that this is what God wants. From every angle all sounds as if they do have the truth, but its only because of that particular angle, the angle that they have focused on. True religion to me is only found within each one of us, it cannot be organized, to organize the truth is to kill it, as Paul said, "the letter killith".

 

[JayJayDee]

I know how the JW's think, I was once a Seventh day Adventist, they also believed that they are the chosen ones to spread the truth of God, this is the problem with religion, they all believe they and them only hold the truth of God. They all take what they believe to be what God wants, by cherry picking through the scriptures, they then formulate their belief system, and by continually reinforcing this belief into their minds they then become hypnotised, and believe that this is what God wants. From every angle all sounds as if they do have the truth, but its only because of that particular angle, the angle that they have focused on. True religion to me is only found within each one of us, it cannot be organized, to organize the truth is to kill it, as Paul said, "the letter killith".

So the challenge is for us to sift through the the broken glass to find the diamond...it's there but it isn't on the top...its buried underneath.
At the end of the day...we will all be where we have placed ourselves by our own choices. That is the only truth we need to know. We will all find out then if we placed our faith in the right people...won't we?

 

[psychoslice]

So the challenge is for us to sift through the the broken glass to find the diamond...it's there but it isn't on the top...its buried underneath.
At the end of the day...we will all be where we have placed ourselves by our own choices. That is the only truth we need to know. We will all find out then if we placed our faith in the right people...won't we?

Yes but its your choice, and don't lie to me !.

 

[Yoshua]

Am I wrong to assume that English is not your first language? I am having difficulty with your phrasing, so I am sorry but I have no idea what your point was in all of that.

Why do you place such an emphasis on Russell when we do not? We understand and appreciate his efforts in the bog picture, but he is not our "founder". We believe that Russell and his fellow Bible Students were awakened to the truth by Jesus. It was foretold in Daniel that in "the time of the end" a 'cleansing and refining' would begin among God's people. (Dan 12:9, 10)
We believe that Russell and his companions were the beginning of that cleansing and refining....but certainly not the end.

We place no emphasis on the efforts of just one man. Russell was not a prophet and we do not consider him as such.

Did you not understand a thing I said? I have tried to explain it to you in detail when addressing your points.

Hi Jay,

Yes. English is not my mother tongue. Sorry for my failure of re-phrasing and editing. I edited the message. If Russell is not the founder, then who founded it?

The Jehovah's Witnesses started in 1872 by Charles Taze Russell. He had a difficulty in dealing with the doctrine of eternal hell fire, and in his studies, he came to deny not only eternal punishment including the Trinity, deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit. At 18, he organized a Bible class in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In 1879 he sought to popularize his aberrant ideas on doctrine. He co-published The Herald of the Morning magazine with its founder, N. H. Barbour; and by 1884 Russell controlled the publication and renamed it The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom and founded Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society (now known as the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society). The first edition of The Watchtower magazine was only 6,000 copies each month. Today the Witnesses' publishing complex in Brooklyn, New York, churns out 100,000 books and 800,000 copies of its two magazines--daily!

Russell claimed that the Bible can only be understood according to his interpretations--a dangerous arrangement since he controlled what was written in the Watchtower magazine.

After the death of Russell on Oct. 31, 1916, a Missouri lawyer named Joseph Franklin Rutherford took over the presidency of the Watch Tower Society which was known then as the International Bible Students Association. In 1931 he changed the name of the organization to "The Jehovah's Witnesses."

Is this in agreement with your knowledge about Charles Taze Russell and the history of JW?

Thanks

 

[Yoshua]

I believe The gospel of Paul is a different gospel from the gospel of Jesus. Are you saying that Jesus is not of God because He preaches a different gospel?

Also I believe Paul's gospel would not work on the 2 minute drill either because the same thing would happen that an evil person would think he was saved because Jesus died for his sin.

I believe Peter's preaching which I would not consider a gospel to be highly effective in the two minute drill.

PS: I don't believe JW's are taught about a three minute drill and that would make it difficult for them to answer. However I believe JW's think that they are saved by works which is not the case as the Bible makes clear and perhaps that comes out in the video to some extent.

I believe the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus taught is the most effective gospel because it is Christ in us that gives us any hope of being saved from sin.

Hi Muffled,

I don't think that Jesus and Paul's message and teachings are different from each other.
Please see the following verses:

Matt. 19:18-19 (Jesus)
18. He said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness;
19. Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Rom.13:8-10 (Paul)
8. Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
9. For this, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
10. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.

Luke 7:50 (Jesus)
50. And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

Eph. 2:8-9 (Paul)
8. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9. not as a result of works, that no one should boast.

Matt. 15:19-20 (Jesus)
19. "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.
20. "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man."

Rom. 3:11-12 (Paul)
11. There is none who understands,
12. All have turned aside, together they have become useless;

Matt. 15:3 (Jesus)
3. And He answered and said to them, "And why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?

Col. 2:8 (Paul)
8. See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

Matt.17:22-23 (Jesus)
22. And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men;
23. and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day." And they were deeply grieved.

Cor. 15:3-4 (Paul)
3. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4. and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

Thanks

 

[katiemygirl]

I know how the JW's think, I was once a Seventh day Adventist, they also believed that they are the chosen ones to spread the truth of God, this is the problem with religion, they all believe they and them only hold the truth of God. They all take what they believe to be what God wants, by cherry picking through the scriptures, they then formulate their belief system, and by continually reinforcing this belief into their minds they then become hypnotised, and believe that this is what God wants. From every angle all sounds as if they do have the truth, but its only because of that particular angle, the angle that they have focused on. True religion to me is only found within each one of us, it cannot be organized, to organize the truth is to kill it, as Paul said, "the letter killith".

Here's how I see it.

If I preach the same gospel as Peter and Paul did in the book of Acts, I am not preaching MY truth. I am preaching the truth of the apostles as it was given to them directly from Jesus.

The gospel message was the same from Peter, Paul and others.in the NT.

So if you are interested in the truth, you'll read what these Holy Sppirit inspired men have to say.

Acts 3 (from Peter)
11 While the man held on to Peter and John, all the people were astonished and came running to them in the place called Solomon’s Colonnade. 12 When Peter saw this, he said to them: “Fellow Israelites, why does this surprise you? Why do you stare at us as if by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? 13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go. 14 You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. 15 You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this. 16 By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus’ name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.

17“ Now, fellow Israelites, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. 18 But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. 19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22 For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23 Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.

Acts 13 (from Paul)
26 “Brothers—you sons of Abraham, and also you God-fearing Gentiles—this message of salvation has been sent to us! 27 The people in Jerusalem and their leaders did not recognize Jesus as the one the prophets had spoken about. Instead, they condemned him, and in doing this they fulfilled the prophets’ words that are read every Sabbath.28 They found no legal reason to execute him, but they asked Pilate to have him killed anyway. 29 “When they had done all that the prophecies said about him, they took him down from the cross and placed him in a tomb. 30 But God raised him from the dead! 31 And over a period of many days he appeared to those who had gone with him from Galilee to Jerusalem. They are now his witnesses to the people of Israel.

32“We tell you the good news: What God promised our ancestors 33 he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm:
“ ‘You are my son; today I have become your father.’
34 God raised him from the dead so that he will never be subject to decay. As God has said,“ ‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings promised to David.’35 So it is also stated elsewhere:“ ‘You will not let your holy one see decay.’

36 “For David, after he had served the purpose of God in his own generation, fell asleep, and was laid among his fathers and underwent decay;
37 but He whom God raised did not undergo decay. 38 “Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, 39 and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses. 40“ Therefore take heed, so that the thing spoken of in the Prophets may not come upon you:
41‘BEHOLD, YOU SCOFFERS, AND MARVEL, AND PERISH; FOR I AM ACCOMPLISHING A WORK IN YOUR DAYS,
A WORK WHICH YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE, THOUGH SOMEONE SHOULD DESCRIBE IT TO YOU.’”

The gospel message is simple. Christ died on the cross but God raised him from the dead. The good news is that through faith in Jesus you can be freed from all sin. Take heed. Repent and turn to God.

That, my friend is the good news, the gospel of Jesus Christ!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Jesus came as king in 1914....that is when the sign of his presence and the "last days" began. When he comes as judge you will know it...believe me.

But what is the point of arguing with someone like you? You will never understand because you already think you have the answers...that's fine. You are free to believe whatever you wish. Post whatever makes you feel good about yourself...just know that something is coming that you do not anticipate. We have tried to tell you but you don't want to hear.

I will not speak with you again. There is no value in it. JW bashing seems to be all you are capable of...so be it.

"But what is the point of arguing with someone like you? You will never understand because you already think you have the answers...that's fine."

Right back at you!


Yeah, guess you can't be casting your pearls, huh! Didn't the judgment of sheep and goats start in 1914?

I apologize JJD, I totally forgot about Proverbs 4:18

*** w13 7/15 p. 8 par. 19 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
Then, we reviewed why Jesus’ judgment of the sheep and the goats did not begin in 1914 but will occur during the great tribulation.


I know exactly what is coming, I also know the signs that will take place. I know Jesus hasn't come yet, in any form.

Mat 24:24-26 (ESVST) 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ' Look, he is in the wilderness, ' do not go out. If they say, ' Look, he is in the inner rooms, ' do not believe it.

I know that when He does come I will see Him coming.

Mat 24:26-27 (ESVST) 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

 

[Wharton]

Jesus supposedly said it, but that doesn't mean he meant it literally true, he as a man was not the way, the way was made personified so the people at that time could understand it, like in parables, its where you are in your growth with God, that you will understand the parables, some see them literal, and some see them spiritual, the latter is for those who are spiritually mature, they will see beyond mere words. The way is within all of us, we need to go within and find the way, find our own connection with God, that connection is called the Christ, simple, and it makes much more sense.

A more accurate meaning of what Jesus was saying, which will irk JW's, is : I am the Halakha, the Truth and the Life.

What Jesus is saying is I am the LAW, (God), the Truth (God) and the Life (God). His Law has 2 commandments, not 613.

Halakha (/hɑːˈlɔːxə/;[1] Hebrew: הֲלָכָה, Sephardic: [halaˈχa]; also transliterated as halacha or halachah) or halocho (Ashkenazic: [haˈloχo]) is the collective body of Jewish religious laws derived from the Written and Oral Torah. It includes the 613 mitzvot ("commandments"), subsequent talmudic and rabbinic law and the customs and traditions compiled in the Shulchan Aruch (literally "Set Table", but more commonly known as the "Code of Jewish Law").

Judaism classically draws no distinction in its laws between religious and non-religious life; Jewish religious tradition does not distinguish clearly between religious, national, racial, or ethnic identities.[2] Halakha guides not only religious practices and beliefs, but numerous aspects of day-to-day life. Halakha is often translated as "Jewish Law", although a more literal translation might be "the path" or "the way of walking". The word derives from the root that means to go or to walk.

 

[McBell]

Here's how I see it.

Exactly what is wrong with it....
Now if perhaps you would but your over inflated ego aside for a moment....

Shant be holding my breath

If I preach the same gospel as Peter and Paul did in the book of Acts, I am not preaching MY truth. I am preaching the truth of the apostles as it was given to them directly from Jesus.

Now all you have to do is show that what you preach is the one true sermon from the one true god.
I notice you completely ignore the fact that all you are doing is pointing out the differences between your personal beliefs and the beliefs of JWs.

The gospel message was the same from Peter, Paul and others.in the NT.

That is up for debate as well.
However, you further demonstrate the point of mine you flat out ignore.
Thank you.

So if you are interested in the truth, you'll read what these Holy Sppirit inspired men have to say.

Yet you throw such a hissy fit when someone disagrees with your personal interpretation of them....

The gospel message is simple. Christ died on the cross but God raised him from the dead. The good news is that through faith in Jesus you can be freed from all sin. Take heed. Repent and turn to God.

That, my friend is the good news, the gospel of Jesus Christ!

Prove it.